Space Cat wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:24 am
41southchile wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:49 am
It's not only cultural reasons (although they play an important part) that will prevent Chile from getting out of the so called middle income trap. A shrinking workforce and older population, low productivity, low copper prices and the natural resource curse, lack of R and D, bureaucracy and red tape, etc , or will all these issues go away now after what's happened?
Is going to take a lot more than Willing the country into a more prosperous one, especially now the country will essentially loose the next few years of development getting out of this mess and the mess to come with the constitution.
The whole mess is created to solve most of the problems you mentioned. Chile still has a population pyramid with a heavy bottom (hence the revolt, lots of young people with little opportunities) but most of these human resources are being wasted by the archaic elitist society organization.
I wrote before that the local "technocratic" elites are too short-sighted: they tweak economy here and there but don't do anything significant to increase the country's productive output. They just continue extracting resources like they have been doing for centuries and throw scraps at a fraction of the country's population, so there's someone trained to serve their needs.
The last decades demonstrated that you can't change their attitudes without a collective slap in the face. I know you're not into "left" stuff but the history shows again and again that there's no social progress without a threat to the elites from below.
If we look at the "right", then Adam Smith wrote in "The Wealth of Nations": "No society can surely be flourishing and happy of which by far the greater part of the numbers are poor and miserable."
While the current system may delivered flat TVs into most houses, it produces too much misery to be sustainable in the long run.
Thats all well and good , to be fair though it has produced a lot more than flat screens in every home, but putting that aside and the failings in the current system , what system then doesnt produce misery and is sustainable in the long run?
One is that is decided by the people? Yeah hows that simple referendum working out for the Brits with Brexit. Brexit is a walk in the park compared with what Chile is dealing with, and that's been what? 3 and half years and counting and two prime ministers?
This mess that has been created will not solve most of problems I mentioned, it will fix a few things, eventually, like I said before , dont kid yourself on time frames here.
History has also shown us a lot about the elites not just walking away from what they have without a fight .
Your blaming of the system ignores one fundamental problem, People, they maybe the solution as you idealisticly hope for , with the young ones all about to take over from those useless technocrats that promote digging resources out of the ground, (sorry I'm not trying to be sarcastic) but I fail to see, or am unable to join the dots on that one. Are the young ones going to suddenly become experts in how to make the whole country prosperous? Now you are talking generational change and a complete cultural change, which from my point of view is not radically different to a month ago(actuallyits completely different, but not that different). One Thing that has changed is people think burning and destroying stuff and killing people gets you more stuff and a better life that someone else will pay for (the rich or the government) , and preferably right now thanks. Maybe that's a bit extreme, but culturally so much is still the same, maybe there is some more empathy for those outside your class or whatever, but people (anywhere) have short term memories, already much of the unity that was evident in the first week has rapidly evaporated. Unity, Replaced by fear, anxiety, a realization that there is actually more bad asses out there than many thought, and many other unhealthy attitudes, go and talk to some German farmers and ask them how their point of view has changed, or business owners being made bankrupt.
People are the reason no system works as it theoretically should. Capitalism, communism, socialism, democracy, whatever, its always corrupted.
It's not that I'm not into "left" stuff, I'm just not convinced that at a certain level its any different from the "right" stuff.
Good Adam Smith quote , here's another one, I wonder if people would honestly be proud of how they see themselves and not only in the past month, in general in their lives .
The first thing you have to know is yourself. A man who knows himself can step outside himself and watch his own reactions like an observer.
Or how about this one?
Never complain of that of which it is at all times in your power to rid yourself.
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science. - Darwin