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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by HybridAmbassador » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:46 pm

Heard the Trumpster authorized Juan Guaidó can tap into Vz's oil account in the US to fulfill his agenda of " Americanizing Venezuela " ...LoL !
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by AnciaVagar » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:23 pm

The irrationality onion has lots of layers and stinks.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by 41southchile » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:50 pm

Huelshoff wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:24 pm
which is pretty much the international consensus (outside of Moscow and Beijing, at least) regarding the last election.
Unfortunately Welington can be lumped in with Moscow and Beijing too, NZ government decide to sit in the fence, still what would you expect from the rag tag minority left wing led coalition coalition in at the moment
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/polit ... flict/#ath
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:17 pm

so here is my "vegas sport book" odds on how this goes:

guiado get's killed: 50/50

he takes real power, but just turns in to a u.s. run dictator: 30%


he actuely does what he says: 20%

maduro is still in power a year from now: 40-60%

u.s. or some other country invades: 30%


this all drags on so long, i have to start another thread on the subject of Venezuela: 100%
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by AnciaVagar » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:20 pm

Guaidó is an establishment leftist like all the "opposition" so not much will change policywise. My prediction:
100% Vz will remain a Marxist s###hole regardless of who is in office. Some of the enchufados might go to prison, but most will remain just as they are, behind the scenes.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by FrankPintor » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:24 pm

Guaidó has an interesting background, he and his wife are very middle class people, his father is a taxi driver in Spain, and his wife’s father died because of the typical lack of medicine in Venezuela. So they at least know how normal people live, they’re not scions of Bolivar or hereditary politicians like some of their peers. That has to count for something in the probability matrix. I think his claiming of the mantle of interim president was premature, but the logic behind it is plausible: fraudulent elections (the results were disowned by Smartmatic, the company that designed and operated the voting machines), and Maduro’s swearing in had to be before the National Assembly, not before his packed Supreme Tribunal. He has a good case for what he’s doing.

It’s probably coming to a head on Saturday, the event on Wednesday (“plantón“) wasn’t exactly a fizzle but the pressure from the FAES death squads and government informers is having an effect in the barrios. It coming to a do or die moment for Guaidó and the opposition.

I’m told that there is significant resistance to the death squads and dead police and paramilitaries, but that’s not being publicised at the moment, it wouldn’t be good for morale. There’s an undeclared curfew in the “barrios populares” like Petare, Cotiza, Catia and Catia la Mar where anyone out after 9pm is picked up or shot. You work night shift, tough luck... The regime is also trying to press-gang young men into the military, either as human shields, or to continue the thuggery. Lots of rumours as always in Venezuela but it’s being confirmed from different sources.

Given the huge percentage of people living in poverty in Venezuela, the traditional extreme right remedies aren’t going to work. There are some very successful leftist governments out there, some even have oil or other natural resources. Being leftist is no bad thing, being an incompetent and a thief is.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by ghibli » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:14 pm

to at46: Yor Yor Yor. Thanks. Peace and blessings. To admin: Your book looks pretty accurate.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by HybridAmbassador » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:56 pm

US ban and freezing of Venezuela's oil money is hurting Maduro big time. He is selling all his Gold to the UAE to the tune of more than 15 tons!
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by at46 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:38 pm

HybridAmbassador wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 pm
Bolton preparing to send as many as 5000 US soldiers into Colombia?

John Bolton's notes on '5,000 troops to Colombia' spark speculation about military intervention in Venezuela.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 705957002/
5000 troops to Columbia, DC :) Those to whom it was addressed understood it perfectly well. The latest Venezuela crisis is 99% virtual and will continue to be so.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by at46 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:54 pm

Due to the archaic nature of the US legal system, the states become a federation only under a permanent military threat. If you don't crank these pedals, the thing falls over like a bike. The problem is it has nowhere to go now. And so they have converted it into a stationary bike creating constant empty threats by sending aircraft carriers to North Korea, shooting Tomahawk misses into a Syrian desert, or installing this virtual Venezuelan president.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by bert.douglas » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:16 pm

HybridAmbassador wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:56 pm
US ban and freezing of Venezuela's oil money is hurting Maduro big time. He is selling all his Gold to the UAE to the tune of more than 15 tons!
The US sanctions are ineffective, and purely theater.

The only reason Venezuela is in bad shape is the stupid and corrupt actions of its own government. Unless you are part of the clique of top dogs, you can't get any foreign exchange. That is why there are no spare parts and all equipment is breaking. All the bigger companies have been seized and robbed and destroyed by bureaucrats. The small businesses have stopped operating because of price controls. Who is going to run a business if you lose money on every sale?

And as for the gold, the top guys are stealing the gold and getting it out of the country so they can live well in exile.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:37 am

Well, the criticism of Bachelet's silence, and the overall silence of the left in Chile is growing.

Here is the head of Human Rights Watch criticizing Bachelet for failing to say, well, anything:
https://www.latercera.com/mundo/noticia ... la/514259/

And it is situations like this that the real colors come out on the far left in Chile:
https://www.latercera.com/politica/noti ... ce/513871/

Human rights abuses are fine by them, as long as the party line is being towed. They try to paint themselves as "European style socialist", but they are really old school Marxist Communist. Democratic elections are just a means to an end for them. In fact, in many respects, Chile's far left might be one of the last bastions of that 1917, revolutionary, Cuban style Marxism. Even Cuba, is kind of sort of moved beyond that (in favor of just being a bunch of thugs that want to make money and stay in control).

To Human Rights watch and Venezuelans I would say, don't expect much. Watch the video of her making a decision with the knitting circle after the 2010 earthquake to call off the Tsunami alert that resulted in all those deaths. It is her MO for just about everything she does.
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