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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:23 pm

venezuela is moving troops and heavy armor to the colombian boarder.

https://defence-blog.com/army/venezuela ... order.html

there seems to be some debate if this is intended to stop an invasion of regular army from colombia or is in responce to recent killings by ELN and other paramilitary groups out of colombia of venezuelan soldiers. there has been rumors for some time that various armed groups out of colpmbia are actuely in control of large parts of the boarder region, often with the support of the local venezuelan military units.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:45 pm

Perhaps more tellingly, this article says that Cuba is already making discreet plans to withdraw its "advisers" from Venezuela in case it becomes necessary. With 60 years of experience, Cuba is expert at state control, and has ensured Maduro's survival up till now.

The interim president, Juan Guaidó has already stated that he wants the Cubans out, especially from the army.
También llamó a que los ciudadanos cubanos abandonen los puestos de responsabilidad en las fuerzas armadas y los servicios de inteligencia, aunque no exigió la salida del país de todos los cubanos, como piden algunos miembros de la oposición.
https://www.elconfidencial.com/mundo/20 ... o_1784410/

And some interesting details of overt foreign military presence in Venezuela here.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by FrankPintor » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:14 pm

Interesting articles, thanks Fraggle. I wonder if it will be possible to organise elections quickly... the electoral rolls are out of date, I think before the elections in July they were registering something like 100 new voters per day. There are something like 4 million Venezuelans outside the country and 100,000 of them registered? The Venezuelan ID card is a laminated card, you could forge one with a colour photocopier. The electronic voting machines are not trusted, and to cap it all, the electoral commission is stuffed with Maduro supporters. Seems like an awful lot to put right in 30 days. I saw an estimate of 3-6 months before outside organisations would be ready to observe and validate a vote.
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Post by admin » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:04 pm

looks like much longer, given how badly maduro has corrupted the system. could be years.

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/ ... take-time/
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by AnciaVagar » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:49 pm

admin wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:23 pm
venezuela is moving troops and heavy armor to the colombian boarder.
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Maybe they are looking for asylum. =)

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AnciaVagar wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:49 pm
admin wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:23 pm
venezuela is moving troops and heavy armor to the colombian boarder.
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Maybe they are looking for asylum. =)
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by 41southchile » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:55 am

A few of the Venezuelans I have talked to that are here now living and working say that even if Maduro is removed now in the short term they won't go back, after two decades of the boliviarian revution the country is stuffed for a long time no matter what happens to Maduro now. Remiving him is just the start of a Very long process, how do you change the additudes of an entire generation of those with their hand out ?, the country is in for a very long troubled road to recovery, if it recovers. Why would I go back ? I have a good life here my wife , kids are happy /relaxed , yeah we miss home but we like it more here now , where its safe and the political culture doesnt even come close to what has happened in Venezuela, said one of the accountants working at my auditors office. I imagine that view is fairly widespread amongst Venezuelans living here now.?
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by Donnybrook » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:16 am

That is often the case when people up sticks because of turmoil or disastrous governments in their country. Happened to us. If people stay long enough their kids identify with the new country more than the old. Many Peruvians affected by the agrarian reforms brought in by Velasco Alvarado in Peru moved to Venezuela. When it was possible to go back some of the kids opted to stay and older ones had even married there. I suppose that at this point some of those will have returned to Peru!

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Post by admin » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:57 pm

there was a story in the local paper about a chilean that moved to venezuela 40 years ago. he was forced back to chile because of the crisis. he went to get his ID, and the civil registery had him recorded as dead.

guess there are like 40,000 chileans in venezuela. most moved durring the dictatorship. a lot of them are finally coming back.

guess two diffrent socialist paradises did not end well.

socialism seems to always end in a dictatorship, just depends on the progaganda flag the dictatorship is flying when it ends.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:54 pm

u.s. just imposed oil sactions on venezuela, and pdsva assets outside venezuela. all money must go in to accounts for i guess a none-maduro goverment. they are calling them "blocked" accounts.


hope maduro kept a piggy bank handy for a rainy day to pay the military.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:06 pm

telesur is showing baseball news.

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