Venezuela crisis

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by AnciaVagar » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:54 pm

admin wrote:
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don't mistake what china is up to for anything at all to do with socialism or marx.
+1. The Chinese are the most pragmatic and are already on both sides of the "who is in charge" question. They will align with the winner whomever that may be, and will protect their investments.

More broadly, most self-described "Socialists" have nothing to do with socialism, except as a power vehicle. They are either wanna-be totalitarians or useful idiots (according to Lenin, and he knew).

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by 41southchile » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:56 am

With all the men in suits in town today in Santiago for their talkfeast this is timely article . Here is an article this week on prosur from the economist (Sounds like prolesur a subsidy of Fonterra/Soprole here in the South that collects milk) and how it came about after unasur. Does a reasonable job imo of explaining unasur and prosur somerhing which I have not really been able to get a proper grasp on from the screaming on the left or the smugness of the right or any of the media here in Chile.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by at46 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:56 am

Huelshoff wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:13 am
Pretty grim:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... cdc1fb8b0c
“The situation is critical,” says Nancy Rodríguez, who runs a produce stand at the Quinta Crespo market in Caracas.

Yeah, that's the Washington Post at its best! lol

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by Julito » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:08 pm

Interesting, Venezuela cracks a mention.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... ntina.html

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by at46 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:08 pm

"... in case Washington gets into a huff and tries the military option, Moscow this week told regime-change henchman Abrams that that’s a red line. If Washington has any sense of rationale left, it will know from its Syria fiasco that Russia has Venezuela’s back covered.''

https://geopolitics.co/2019/03/23/russi ... venezuela/

To back up the warning, Moscow immediately sent a couple of military aircraft to Venezuela, one of them apparently coming from Syria.

https://www.lapatilla.com/2019/03/23/at ... tia-fotos/

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by AnciaVagar » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:02 pm

So, obviously, Trump and the CIA have also co-opted the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/17/worl ... ctors.html

"...A 65-year-old patient with heart failure entered his clinic — and urgently needed oxygen, he said. The tanks sat in another room at the ready, he recalled.

"But he said his Cuban and Venezuelan superiors told him to use the oxygen as a political weapon instead: Not for medical emergencies that day, but to be doled out closer to the election, part of a national strategy to compel patients to vote for the government.

"May 20, 2018, was nearing, he said, and the message was clear: Mr. Maduro needed to win, at any cost.

“'There was oxygen, but they didn’t let me use it,' said Dr. Arias, who defected from the Cuban government’s medical program late last year and now lives in Chile. 'We had to leave it for the election.'

"To maintain their hold over Venezuela, Mr. Maduro and his supporters have often used the nation’s economic collapse to their advantage, dangling food before hungry voters, promising extra subsidies if he won, and demanding that people present identification cards tied to government rations when they came to the polls...."
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by Julito » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:58 pm

Pilger on Venezuala. Nothing´s ever black or white and Pilger has far more credibility than some compliant journo or editor who wants to keep his career in msm.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/02/22/j ... t-on-lies/

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:08 pm

How about the new SA bloc called Prosur?

I find it interesting that Gauido turned down the invitation to be there as a guest.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by AnciaVagar » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:31 pm

Julito wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:58 pm
Pilger on Venezuala. Nothing´s ever black or white and Pilger has far more credibility than some compliant journo or editor who wants to keep his career in msm.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/02/22/j ... t-on-lies/
Modern "journalism" -- heavy on emotion, light on facts.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:34 pm

well, looks like a case of too little, too late, by the u.s.; not russia.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by nwdiver » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:02 pm

AnciaVagar wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:31 pm
Julito wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:58 pm
Pilger on Venezuala. Nothing´s ever black or white and Pilger has far more credibility than some compliant journo or editor who wants to keep his career in msm.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/02/22/j ... t-on-lies/
Modern "journalism" -- heavy on emotion, light on facts.
Creative non-fiction, the New journalism.......
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