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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:17 pm

yea, the hypocracy of the left in chile is realy evident in this one, and from what i am seeing around the comments on the web (even on traditionaly left leaning media) any time they open their mouth about is some serious vicious hate for the far left.

communist party, socialist party, FA, left leaning DC, the comments following any posting or article is pure hate; and i dont think it is just over little scuffles in venezuela. this is just the latest lighting rod.

i don't think since i have been in chile i have seen so much hate for the left. after the mess with immigration, bachelet running off to the U.N., there is a serious sense that they sold out their base. this just reads more like the left in chile cares more about maduro than chileans; and they might be right.

they are just overall proving they are totaly out of touch with their base.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by AnciaVagar » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:26 pm

admin wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:38 am
Telsur right now is running a piece on the "new crisis in Turkey and Argentina", without a mention of Venezuela.
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Just, WOW! That's actually abusive.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:31 pm

well I guess all dictators are equal. Just some dictators are more equal than others
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:35 pm

you want to see sick, here is senator navarro speaking at maduros inauguration just about a week ago:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=41YuX0cLGmU
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:38 pm

here is the same wanker saying he would go fight for venezuela if maduro called him.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... mente.html

These nut jobs still are living in some 1917 communist fantasy. Viva la revolución!!!
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:49 pm

funny all the comments are like "go, go".
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:00 pm

and of course bachelet is going to run to maduro's side too:

https://www.latercera.com/politica/noti ... 98649/amp/

i'm sorry, but if she goes there and gives political cover and legitimacy to that thug, the world will finaly get to see where her real loyality lies.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by Space Cat » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:15 pm

admin wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:00 pm
and of course bachelet is going to run to maduro's side too:

https://www.latercera.com/politica/noti ... 98649/amp/

i'm sorry, but if she goes there and gives political cover and legitimacy to that thug, the world will finaly get to see where her real loyality lies.
She actually criticized him before, so it's not as bad as it could be:
https://www.lmneuquen.com/bachelet-debu ... ro-n605391

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:18 pm

the real irony of all the people on the left in chile that sit around and pine for their socialist paradise, is that most of them would not last long in a socialist dictatorship. they all talk too much. they make too much noise. That is generaly not very compatiable with any dictatorship.

Come on, Stallin offed thousands of high ranking, loyal to the cause, "friends". hitler, Mussolini, mao, etc, all did it. those are just the big ones. Almost every dictatorship involves killing almost more friends than foes to simply stay in power. It is in the dictatorship rule book.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by Space Cat » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:24 pm

Yep, I feel like many people here can't wrap their heads even around the constant assassinations of journalists which is a norm in many "democratic" countries.

Chile has been a safe and free country for almost 30 years — out of wars, serious internal conflicts or violent political oppression. Even assaults here are rarely life-threatening.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:36 am

i was thinking about what the next move is.

one, is everyone just does nothing, and probably nothing changes.

if the u.s. is serious:

freeze the oil exports, placing the money in escrow for the new gov.

u.s. freezes assets of all military officers and oil company executives.

guiado issues a formal appeal for support from the u.s. and international community.

the same time he issues an amnesty deal to the military. something like both amnesty and an opportunity to keep their riches if they support them one thing i have read over and over, is the venezuelan military is first and formost about the money.

u.s. convinces colombia and brazil to deploy troops along the boarder. they can claim it is for preperation for any humanitarian crisis. the military in venezuela will however read that as their days are numbered.

finaly, u.s. deploys an aircraft carrier group off the coast. they can claim they are there to assist in the humanitarian crisis.

then wait and see how serious the russians and chinese are about getting involved. i dont think they are that serious about maduro, beyond they would like to get paid back their loans after. perhaps they toss them a preliminary loan restructuring plan, should maduro fall. that would pull the last of the serious international support out from under maduro.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by Jamers41 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:39 am

admin wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:52 am


I do find the whole, "America is supporting the Venezuela people" thing to be B.S. America is only supporting them now, because Venezuela has defaulted on most of its bonds and the Oil has stopped flowing in any significant amount. The U.S. placing sanctions on Venezuelan oil exports, is pretty meaningless at less than 500,000 barrels a day now being exported to the U.S.
It's not meaningless according to Bloomberg (yeah, I know, it's Bloomberg)........but there might be some economic pain felt on the US side --> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... iners-hard

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