Venezuela crisis

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by nwdiver » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:59 am

41southchile wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:43 pm
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this is a worthy read about life without power in Venezuela:

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/ ... alked-out/
4th day with no power, that's what happens when you loose all your technicians, electricians, etc and don't do any maintenance for so many years I guess. Reports coming in at lunchtime that the grid is screwed in many places, electrical faults and fires and multiple substations due to overloading and collapse of other lines it's having a domino effect. Mad Uro says it's the Yankees and a cyber attack, one way or another this is going to get a lot lot worse quickly I imagine.
It can't be a cyber attack, the grid is not that advanced......
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by 41southchile » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:04 am

nwdiver wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:59 am
41southchile wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:43 pm
admin wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:41 pm
this is a worthy read about life without power in Venezuela:

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/ ... alked-out/
4th day with no power, that's what happens when you loose all your technicians, electricians, etc and don't do any maintenance for so many years I guess. Reports coming in at lunchtime that the grid is screwed in many places, electrical faults and fires and multiple substations due to overloading and collapse of other lines it's having a domino effect. Mad Uro says it's the Yankees and a cyber attack, one way or another this is going to get a lot lot worse quickly I imagine.
It can't be a cyber attack, the grid is not that advanced......
Exactly, just shows up the propaganda of Mad uro as exactly that.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:56 am

well the canaries are leaving the coal mine. u.s. is withdrawing the remaining staff from Venezuela.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-lati ... a-47535921
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by HybridAmbassador » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:31 pm

Hmmm, US ordering the evacuating of all its US diplomats to abandon Venezuela. What all this means? All out war to be erupted soon enough? I hear nothing from Russian intelligence nor from the Chinos...Intriguing indeed.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by at46 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:04 pm

nwdiver wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:59 am
41southchile wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:43 pm
admin wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:41 pm
this is a worthy read about life without power in Venezuela:

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/ ... alked-out/
4th day with no power, that's what happens when you loose all your technicians, electricians, etc and don't do any maintenance for so many years I guess. Reports coming in at lunchtime that the grid is screwed in many places, electrical faults and fires and multiple substations due to overloading and collapse of other lines it's having a domino effect. Mad Uro says it's the Yankees and a cyber attack, one way or another this is going to get a lot lot worse quickly I imagine.
It can't be a cyber attack, the grid is not that advanced......
Can it be sabotage? It's been proposed back in 2010... https://thegrayzone.com/2019/03/11/us-r ... ic-unrest/

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:49 pm

yea, let's talk sabatoge, that makes a diffrence. Like the sabotage of over 100 years of infectious diese statistics and tracking. sabatoge to the entire frigen continent.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... l-turmoil/

take miesels. Cases in brazil are reported to be over 10,000 cases, almost all Venezuelans; but, even with the broken health system in Venezuela they managed to report 5,000. do the math on the descrepency to get a guess as to the real size of the epidemic in Venezuela.

so far chile has two reported cases for the first time in decades, both venezuelans. all have been genome typed to venezuela's outbreak.

never mind chagas, malaria, TB, hepatitis, etc, etc. I personaly know of Venezuelans in Chile with HIV.

I live almost as far as possible on this continent from Venezuela, and all this crap is in my town. i have had dinner with Venezuelan refugies, and listened to their stories. i know their are Venezuelans in the area and chile, that are in less than perfect health.

Maduri's Venezuela goverment is sabotaging over 100 years, and billions, possibly trillions, of dollars of very hard fought progress in controlling and eradicating contagious dieses across the entire continent, that has allowed this region to develope, and millions and millions of people to leave poverty.

He has set back the health care systems, already stretched to the max, across all of latin america. possibly for a decade or more.

Maduro and his boliviarian revolution, even if a u.s. cruise missile takes him out right now or he simply slips getting out of the shower, may be on the verge of truly setting this entire region back 30 years in development.

he might really get a chance to see his entire glorious boliviarian revolution, just like it was back in the day, with thousands of people dying from dieses more than bullets, across all of latin america.

what comes with such a destabilizing health crisis?

wars, political crisis, economic crisis, and lots of poverty. i am not even talking about venezuela anymore. i am talking about everyone else in the americas.

that is biological warfare, a war crime, and it has been a well defined crime against humanity for a very long time.

so, i will put this as delicately and politically correctly as i can, so as not to disturb anyone's nice soft socialist dream: that fucker and everyone that supported him deserves a fair trial, followed by a fair hanging.

ASAP

if a fair trial is not possible, i will settle for a fair size bullet.

all the communist, socialist, imperialist conspiracy crap is way way too late to cover their asses now. that ship sailed 30+ years ago.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:29 pm

You know what got me really thinking about the impact of this ass on the rest of Latin America, and in particular my corner of it, was a drive I took recently with a doctor around Southern Chile.

My wife's aunt is pediatrician. She was just recognized a couple of years ago for 50 years of practicing as a doctor. She is one of those lifetime workaholics.

She came down this summer to Frutillar with the rest of the family.

We went on some day drive's around the back roads of southern Chile. While we were driving around, she was telling the stories about her first visit to southern Chile. She lead a team of doctors and nurses, to provide the first vaccination campaign for the public health ministry to Chiloe and other rural places. Places that now have nice paved roads, hospitals, doctors, etc. Not back then. Believe it was the late 50's early 60's. Back when rural southern Chile, was really really rural.

All those places are now free from most of those communicable diseases and the associated epidemics that preventable, and the ones that are not can be quickly contained and managed; but, it did not happen overnight. It took decades, and massive amounts of resources to get there.

That is just Chile. Chile is obviously in a much better position to deal with it, and also much further away. The rest of Latin America is still struggling to get a handle on it.

Even now, in Latin America overall, it is only in the last decade or so, that the health care systems have gotten to the point where these outbreaks (that happen all the time) can be contained or controlled to some extent. It is a very, very, fragile and strained regional health care system; but, it is, at least until recently, been holding the line.

When that totally unappreciated / underappreciated fragile regional healthcare line breaks, it is the entire development of the entire continent that breaks down with it. National debts explode. Politics becomes unstable. Things like education, new roads, economic and social development of all forms get's put on the back burner of political priorities.

Possibly the worse thing is, it is this really insidious or corrosive, under the radar, sort of crisis that kind of eats away at development, and might not even really get the attention as the real cause or source of poverty. It is that sort of thing, where say a little brother get's sick, so mom or dad stays home from work to take care of the kid, while the other kids in the family quietly get neglected, while family resources are consumed taking care of that one family member.

It reminds of like how snipers in wars will shoot an enemy, but intentionally only wound them; forcing the other members to the unit to take care of him. The same thing happens when a family member get's sick, but to the whole community.

Thus, why I am so pissed at the whole Venezuelan mess. That fucker has literally brought that bullshit back, to my backyard, on the total opposite end of the continent from him.

If it made it this far, with very robust resources we have here in southern Chile, what is it doing to the rest of Latin America?
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:38 am

From what I hear from my contacts in Colombia and Brazil, their healthcare systems are pushed way over the breaking point

There are a lot of Venezuelans that didn't have proper healthcare back home that cannot get it in Colombia due to having immigrated illegally.

In Brazil's case, most of the immigrants have entered the country through Roraima, one of the most remote and poorest states. While the country's healthcare system is quite decent and robust, with universal and free care, the state couldn't handle a 15%+ increase in demand. It also started during a very messy time in terms of internal politics.

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:55 am

"I think the United States understands that any military action would fall under the rubric of 'You broke it you own it,' " Schechter continued, "and Venezuela today is not something you want to own unilaterally -- you want to share that honor."

and unfortunately, there is the problem that will likely make this drag out for a very long time.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/12/poli ... index.html
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by mem » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:15 am

HybridAmbassador wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:31 pm
Hmmm, US ordering the evacuating of all its US diplomats to abandon Venezuela. What all this means? All out war to be erupted soon enough? I hear nothing from Russian intelligence nor from the Chinos...Intriguing indeed.
Uh yeah exactly what I was thinking....pulling out the diplomats. Not for just during power outages

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:19 am

I read that they were ordered to leave by Maduro because of the supposed US cyber-warfare attack against their electrical grid.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by mem » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:39 am

Apparently generator based Steak Houses are booming in VZ. However when it says "they serve a certain clientele"...yup we know exactly what that means!

The polarization of the rich and poor is just accelerating

https://www.bloombergquint.com/markets/ ... -than-ever

At this point I almost dont care who cleans up the mess in VZ. Just want it cleaned up. It's been bad for years and now it just went next level. There have to be options other than the US playing world police.

How about Columbia annexes the western part, Bolivia get a narrow contiguous strip to the coast of VZ and Brazil gets the eastern part. Then Columbia and Brazil take shares of the oil fields. Bolivia gets ocean access
What could possibly go wrong? ; )

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