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Big Brother is coming

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:40 am

You may have read that China has a project to index every citizen's behaviour based on cctv facial recognition as well as official records.
Like private credit scores, a person's social score can move up and down depending on their behaviour. The exact methodology is a secret — but examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.
That's scary enough, although given China's huge population, some form of governmental control that is simultaneously more comprehensive and less overt than repression through brutal police tactics is probably seen as a Good Thing by the Chinese authorities.

But now, Venezuela is implementing a similar system, the Carnet de la Patria but will use it for outright government control. Among other punishments, no carnet means no government food handouts.
With personal data now so available, some citizens fear they can lose more than just their jobs, said Mariela Magallanes, an opposition lawmaker who headed a commission that last year investigated how the fatherland card was being linked to the subsidized food programme.
The government, the commission said in a report, is depriving some citizens of the food boxes because they don’t possess the card. “The government knows exactly who is most vulnerable to pressure,” she said.
I suspect this technology will become ubiquitous in the future, differing only in the stick-to-carrot ratio a particular state employs.

Your Chilean RUT already has a QR code on it......
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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:59 am

Reportedly, the USG has been capturing faces of passengers boarding outgoing flights from the US and now it seems to have entered another phase. In my recent entry at LAX TB, all the APC kiosks were closed and all Canadians and US citizens herded to a single but short line. Customs form no longer needed, you hand over passport, perhaps get a few probe/test questions and then your photo is taken and you are on your way to bag pickup and customs.
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Post by admin » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:16 pm

oh, you guys are sooooo late to the party.

Interpol, believe there is a 120 countries participating currently, recently deployed facial recognition systems World wide.

No means to audit, contest, or otherwise scrutinize what is in the data base, nor was the image obtained legally and with the consent of the person that is in the database.

That photo your friend thought was cute of you drunk at a party, location tagged and commented, they uploaded to their cousin's facebook profile, is fair game. That mug shot from when you were 15, fair game. That photo on your resume you submitted to a job interview you never got, fair game. Hell, the photos on your phone, that you took yourself, and then Apple or Samsung were sufficiently kind to backup for you to the cloud while you moved to a new phone and they gave you a 2000 word consent form you clicked without reading, fair game. Throw in those CCTV images of you in New York, London, passing through this airport or that airport, etc, all fair game. How about that speeding ticket you got in the mail 20 years ago based on an automated camera speed trap?

Who you going to sue? Interpol? They don't even exist. They are just an association of law enforcement organizations. Even if you could nail them down in a court room, which court room you going to use? Chile? China? Europe? the United States? Russia? Nigeria?

Good luck executing a court order from Chile, the U.S., China, in a 120+ countries. Hope you got some very, very deep pockets and a lot of time to waist chasing every government contractor, to the contractor, that got a copy of that database sitting very securely in their "private cloud" hosted on Amazon's servers.

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Re: Big Brother is coming

Post by snobrd4life » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:31 pm

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018 ... dit-system

I'm all for improving road rage (especially having experienced it in China), but the debtor's prison dilemma created by painting all debtors with the same brush will stifle entrepreneurship and innovation.

Agree with fraggle and eeuu that all countries will eventually roll out some version of the system.

I believe that we are already well on the way. Almost all stores offer "special" pricing for customers that sign up for a keychain card with barcode and provide an email and address for marketing purposes. The stores win. One can hardly believe that in exchange we are really getting discount prices vs the markup on everything else. Data is valuable stuff.
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Re: Big Brother is coming

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:00 pm

admin wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:16 pm
oh, you guys are sooooo late to the party.
Although facial recognition on Facebook and elsewhere has been talked about for at least the last five years, the use of technology to directly influence individual behaviour, as opposed its use by shadowy police organizations is quite new, and represents a huge leap in the level of state intromission into private life.

The prospect of a country degenerating and fragmenting into violent, intolerant tribes, with a notable loss of respect towards any type of authority, as seems to be happening in the USA at present, is a situation that governments want to avoid. So I can understand why they would want to adopt this type of system.

Finally the paranoiacs will be justified.
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Post by admin » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:37 pm

there was a study some time back where the authors were able to use simply open sourced data bases to locate 99% of the people on the planet to within 10 meters or so.

imagine what could be done by a goverment with access to the closed source databases, and more computing horse power.

i realy think 99% of the public, is really failing to grasp where we are at with the data revolution and privacy these days.

this is no longer a "oh, a hacker might get my password" sort of problem. this is a goverment might ( and do) target entire classes of people or a specific an individual with the same effort for persecusion, sort of problem.

imagine the nazis having the ability to locate, track, and target all jews in the world with a few key strokes. that is what is going on (ironicaly the jews targeting palistians, u.s. targeting muslims).

in the same way amazon can chase you with advertising, goverments can target you with things that are far less pleseant than a black friday deal.
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Re: Big Brother is coming

Post by Julito » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:37 pm

Topical.
This bloke has embarked on a project to explore some of these issues and invites contributions.
His first round of results are in.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-16/ ... d/10496450

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Re: Big Brother is coming

Post by Julito » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:43 pm

PS. Click on the link in the article to get the the previous story. For those who want to do it themselves he mentions a GitHub set up... whatever the hell that is, no doubt one for the geeks!

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Post by admin » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:18 pm

if you go burn your cell phone, cancel your internet, use all cash, chances are you will still be tagged and tracked in the thousands of times a day. your data in all the databases around the world gets processed probably thousands, if not millions, of times a day as that data set are sold, traded, and passed around for new machine learning algos to try and find new and interesting things about you.

you basicaly need to move where there is no internet. say a small town in the patagonia.

in chile, you probably still have a bit more privacy, but that is mostly a function of the incompetent tech industry here. on some level, you are more exposed to the big brothers (e.g. google, facebook, nsa, etc), because chilean politicians are too ignorant of the internet to even write some sort of internet privacy law, let alone debate and pass one.
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Re: Big Brother is coming

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:54 pm

Little bird said, ideally, one would have settled in Chile before 11 /9 after which things went into major overdrive.
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Re: Big Brother is coming

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:04 am

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:59 am
Reportedly, the USG has been capturing faces of passengers boarding outgoing flights from the US and now it seems to have entered another phase. In my recent entry at LAX TB, all the APC kiosks were closed and all Canadians and US citizens herded to a single but short line. Customs form no longer needed, you hand over passport, perhaps get a few probe/test questions and then your photo is taken and you are on your way to bag pickup and customs.
https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2 ... ng/151095/

https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2 ... rs/152957/
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Post by admin » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:11 am

well if it makes you feel better, or worse, their was sn amazon based facial recognition program the TSA was starting deploy that was tested. it identfied something like 12 memners of the u.s. congress as wanted fellons.

seems the software is a bit racists. 3/4ths were black congressmen.
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