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u.s. immigration and children

Post by admin » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:58 pm

We have been advising chilean friends and clients not to take minor children in to the united states.

Well, now i get to tell americans not to take their american children in to the united states.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... s-citizens

Really i have been warning chileans, that seem to think i am joking, for years not to take their children in to the u.s. because they could wind up property of the u.s. or state goverments.

It takes one department of homeland security rent a gaurd at the boarder that thinks they are God, and your kid will be sucked in to the u.s. judicial black hole. Perhaps, several hundred thousand dollars and years later, you might get to see your kid again.
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Post by admin » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:13 pm

The reason i know about this sort of thing is my father was an attorney in the states. In his free time, he use to go sit in on random court cases between trials. Once in a while he would find an intereting case, and offer to take it probono. He use to take the court assigned pro bino cases too, but prefered to pick his own. Ones that he thought he could really make a diffrence.

Well, he found one. This was like 30 years ago. A young couple had their child taken away by state social services because a neighbor called that they were not feeding the kid healthy food or whatever. Public defenders screwed the case up for two years, and they had not gotten their kid back.

My dad took the case, got an order for the child to be returned. The social worker that ran the foster care center, called my father and said, "we reviewed the order, and have decided that we do not believe it is in the best interest of the child to be returned to his parents at this time".

My father called the judge. Judges just love to be told no. The judge says, "meet the sherrifs deputies at the foster home. I am sending them with an order to arrest anyone that interfears with you and the parents leaving with the child".

Now, that happens to american citizens all across the u.s. everyday, for decades.

What do you think happens to foreigners that speak no english and may or may not be in the u.s. legally, with little to no money?
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Post by admin » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:36 pm

The irony is, the u.s. goverment basically just told the federal judge the same thing about the children they took.
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Re: u.s. immigration and children

Post by AnciaVagar » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:55 pm

"It takes one department of homeland security rent a gaurd at the boarder that thinks they are God, and your kid will be sucked in to the u.s. judicial black hole."

That's what "Child Protective Services" in every state and city in the US have been doing for decades. They receive a bounty for bringing kids into their system, regardless of how the case against the parents is adjudicated. So follow the money. Are the kids seized by ICE/CBP turned over to CPS? And who is funding the sudden pro-illegal immigration protests?

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Post by admin » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:15 pm

Here you go. Same guys that brought you gitmo:

http://warisboring.com/a-childrens-gitmo-on-the-border/
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Post by admin » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:36 pm

You know there is something really sinister in this whole policy, that i have not seen really brought up in any media source.

A large portion of this population is from central america.

In central america and latin america overall, including chile, there is a very dark history and fear of foreigners taking children.

Some of it is urban legend that tends to turn in to localized hysteria, but most of it is rooted in real cases of forced adoptions, kidnappings, etc where children where sold for adoptiin in developed countries. Often the churchs and goverments were in in it, for all kind of twisted political and financial motives.

Among others were sick attempts at social engineering by taking away children from their poor mothers by justifying it along the lines that they would have a better life, help stop communist populations from multiplying, and taking them away from immoral "animals". It was only slightly less sick than the nazi sterilization of undesirables, but just another means to the same ends. Very similar to what was done to north american native american children.

Anyway, real or imagined, there is a very real cultral trauma and fear in the population being targeted.

When i was living in guatemala, every so often there would be a story in the paper about how some stranger in a mountain town was lit in fire by a mob because the rumor spread that they were there to steal children. Often turned out the person was just there as a tourist or something ho hum.

Not certain anyone ever brought that up in the white house, but if they did, when considering this policy, then it really is much sicker than just abuse of power. As wrong, and illegal as it is, it would take it to the next level of a crime against humanity; never mind it already intrinsictly violates multiple u.s. laws and international laws in ways that will likly take years to catagorize.
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Post by admin » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:53 pm

I'll ask my wife about. She is an expert on it. There is a specific technical definition to it in international law and it was used in the serbian war crimes trials. Something like, using cultural fears as a weapon to terrorize a population.

My wife sat through like 6 months of the trials at the Hague while in law school, and it was one of the catagory of charges. She spent 6 month in the same room with this guy:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloboda ... 1evi%C4%87
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Re: u.s. immigration and children

Post by gregf » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:44 pm

My wife and I were looking at relocating to the USA this year (I am from NY, she is Uruguayan). But I have lost all appetite for returning. She is a Uruguayan citizen, no green card, kids are US Citizens but born here in chile (did all the paper work). It's just too scary to think what could happen to my wife or kids, even if we are just going to visit my family. It's terrifying, and in these moments, you experience the fear of the tyranny of gov't. Who do you go to when the state itself has used its absolute authority against you????

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