Britkid wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:57 pm
The real elephant in the room is that China is a nasty dictatorship with no regard for human rights and that doing business with them supports that regime. Here is Last Week Tonight with a video on China (clocking in at 20 minutes).
Interesting video thanks for sharing, what's the answer ? The dilemma is fairly well explained in the video , anyone that raises it won't get trade with China.
Made a good point about Trump too, so there is no hope there then really is there ?
It all comes back to money doesn't it ? Or power ? If people outside China want to make a moral stand and think that's the right thing to do, then that's their right, but there will be always someone willing to step in and pick up the business and plenty that don't care.
It's the same reason so many people still support Pinochet (in private) here, or the same reason that people support Duarte in the Philippines, you think people are not aware of human rights abuses there in those two cases? Of course they are, but money and feeling safer is what people want. You think China would be where they were today (800 million lifted out of poverty in the last 30 years) if it was a democracy and everyone respected human rights?
Wouldn't have happened, it would have been impossible and there would be a lot more internal conflicts and abuses than there are human rights abuses now, it would be chaos trying to control 1 billion people, and there would probably be civil war and all sorts of factions competing for resources and power, but it's a moot point I guess because thats not the way things are there.
Its like what do you do with Child rapists and murderers ? Many many "normal" people would say kill them, but then that starts a slippery slope doesn't it ? and do Child rapists have human rights ? that's how those in power get away with human rights abuses, they manage to keep enough of the population happy enough economically and through a sense of safety for citizens, that sometimes citizens are willing to accept a bit of collateral damage when weeding out the trouble makers that make for an unsafe or dangerous society.
Authorities always overplay their hand and eventually outrage builds and the regime leaves or is toppled, but if they can maintain a balancing act of economic and social security for the majority it may take a long long time.
Interesting about that social credit score too, there is a series on Netflix called black mirror , it's quite good and a futuristic look at all sorts of moral dilemmas and how technology will play a part in those dilemmas, some of that stuff is already happening.
In the Lakes Region Chile for 6 years. It looks like New Zealand in some ways, and is nearly at the bottom of the world too, but there the similarities end.