Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tiff

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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by Andres » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:08 pm

As you seem to want to diversify the conversation, John:
It's a pity some still idolize Allende and his statues persist; he should not have been removed violently (especially with foreign (i.e. USSA involvement), but neither Allende nor Pinochet were good for Chile.
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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by Dosedmonkey » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:18 pm

john wrote:The good news is that all the statues of Milton Friedman and Henry Kissinger have been removed from public spaces. :)
Got to agree there. They really need change some of the Pinochet era street names!
xilantro wrote: As for Scandinavia being socialist, yes it is. Socialism and hard-work are not mutually exclusive. There is a modern trend to merge the terms socialism and communism, though admittedly communism has been used to refer to a state created through revolution while socialism to the same state as created by evolution.
I think your on about Sweden not Norway. E.g. Not all scandinavia (whether that includes Denamark or not varies from person to person too).

But all the same it's a very different thing then Cold War S. American politics.

Sweden had more of a moderate government with a good economy having stayed mostly out of World War 2 that slid more social direction because of its wealth. Norway lost a lot of finance from the war and ended up having a very open economy. And I have worked with Norweigens that I've made friends witg before anyone claims wiki wiki wiki. They make awesome Reindeer Biltong!

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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by El Lechero » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:59 pm

Dosedmonkey wrote:
john wrote:The good news is that all the statues of Milton Friedman and Henry Kissinger have been removed from public spaces. :)
Got to agree there. They really need change some of the Pinochet era street names!
and why would you think that? What will it acheive?

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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by Dosedmonkey » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:01 pm

Ones named after celebrating Pinochet events, not just ones that were constructed in that era. Sorry I explained bad now I realise.

11Th septembre for example. There is a few in provodencia people have protested against.

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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by Donnybrook » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:25 pm

Dosedmonkey wrote:Ones named after celebrating Pinochet events, not just ones that were constructed in that era. Sorry I explained bad now I realise.

11Th septembre for example. There is a few in provodencia people have protested against.
They already changed the name of 11 de Setiembre a few months ago to Nueva Providencia. What others can you think of?

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Post by El Lechero » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:54 pm

Dosedmonkey wrote:Ones named after celebrating Pinochet events, not just ones that were constructed in that era. Sorry I explained bad now I realise.

11Th septembre for example. There is a few in provodencia people have protested against.
so 11 sept is ok ? Or no? What did john say about erasing history and repeating. Pointless excersise but yeah Carolina Toha has allready had her petty little way and done that. Would be good if she could unite rather than carry on dividing but that sure doesnt seem her style judging by her other little pet projects and favors shes paying back.

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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by Dosedmonkey » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:31 am

Donnybrook wrote:
Dosedmonkey wrote:Ones named after celebrating Pinochet events, not just ones that were constructed in that era. Sorry I explained bad now I realise.

11Th septembre for example. There is a few in provodencia people have protested against.
They already changed the name of 11 de Setiembre a few months ago to Nueva Providencia. What others can you think of?
Ah that's good, didn't realise that.

I can't remember now, moved out from Providencia in March this year. But if they changed that one hopefully any others will be corrected anyway (as they changed local authority from that Pinochet era guy last year in Providencia right, am I remembering that right?).

Museums are for remembering.

Things you see and use everyday should be for cecelebrating and enjoying.

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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by El Lechero » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:29 am

Dosedmonkey wrote:
Museums are for remembering.

Things you see and use everyday should be for cecelebrating and enjoying.
Sure just keep telling yourself that and hey you might even believe it one day, that reasoning defies logic. By your reasoning and people like Carolina Toha i guess we should change all the street names Colon because you know the arrival of europeans in the americas didnt work out too well for Mapuche or maybe they will just be happy with changing the name of Magellanes. In fact there was a lot of bad stuff that went on in chiles eary days. Rapes, Murders of political opponents. Lets to a big investigation shall we and change every possible name we can think of that could of upset someone. Because i want to look up at a street name and enjoy it when i see it, god forbid it should stimulate me into thinking theres a part of history behind that name. Shit i just remembered near puerto varas theres a town called Nueva Braunau , while we are at it we better change that as its nammed after Hitlers birthplace. Shall i rush round and grab the knee jerk reactionary mob with nothing better to do than protest about crap because they are the only genetation in history that ever suffered? or will you sort that out?

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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by Donnybrook » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:21 am

It doesn't really matter anyway. Streets and plazas may change their name but everyone uses the old name. You often see street signs with the new name and ex-the old one written underneath. Personally I would have chosen something a bit more imaginative than Nueva Providencia for a name change. All the fuss about changing the name of Santa Lucia hill (rejected) was just a waste of time. It will always be Santa Lucia. No one refers to Plaza Baquedano by any name other than its previous name, Plaza Italia, which was changed around 1928. Before that it was Plaza Colon and before that Plaza La Serena. So I suppose new names might sink in after a few generations, or people just choose the name they liked best out of the options available.

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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by Dosedmonkey » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:29 pm

I wouldn't call this many years a knee jerk reaction.

And there is still large rape problems in Santiago so not sure what your on about there.... Calle de violación isn't exactly a tourist hot spot.

And this certainly has happened since Nazi Germany fell....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification

Doing nothing helps how?

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Re: Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tif

Post by gyroid » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:21 am

xilantro wrote:Scandinavia is a pretty good example of Communist ideals implemented well - classless if not stateless, and they seem a model in so many ways. All the countries that have made a big deal of trumpeting communism as ideal have basically been run by corrupt megalomaniacs - that is not a shortcoming of communism - it is personal political corruption made strong by bad education.
Stateless? Scandinavia?? Really???

Their governments are bloated bureaucratic hells with totalitarian state control in so many areas.

I would move instantly to a stateless socialistic country... if Earth had one! :D

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