Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tiff

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Interesting, online poll over Pino minute of silence tiff

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:21 pm

Don't know if any of you are following the recent quarrel over the Pinochet minute of silence thing in the Chilean Congress the other day but what has stood out for me was how this online poll has developed showing the people are just as split today as when the coup first occurred.
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Post by rasmataz » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:27 pm

In my community here in the the rural South, they love the guy. Me, not so much.

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Post by Britkid » Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:59 pm

It's crazy that we even having this debate at all. Thousands killed and tortured. It reflects badly on Chileans that this is even a debate.

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Post by MatthewNZ » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:25 pm

What would Chile's politicians (on both sides) do with themselves if they weren't engaged in pointless gestures of provocation.

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Post by rasmataz » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:12 pm

It is only the UDI who is the the moving force behind this. The RN isn´t touching it.

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Post by xilantro » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:28 pm

I would even argue that it's not exactly provocation. People brought up with no ethics and no concept of Human Rights see Pinochet as having made them richer and delivered them from a specter Joe McCarthy cautioned the world against. If it weren't for international 'embarassment', I believe many more Chileans would adore their Nixon-loving strongman out in the open.

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Post by john » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:33 pm

But pay heed to the famous saying by philosopher George Santayana (inscribed, in Polish, on a plaque at the Auschwitz concentration camp), "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
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Post by El Lechero » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:12 pm

xilantro wrote:I would even argue that it's not exactly provocation. People brought up with no ethics and no concept of Human Rights see Pinochet as having made them richer and delivered them from a specter Joe McCarthy cautioned the world against. If it weren't for international 'embarassment', I believe many more Chileans would adore their Nixon-loving strongman out in the open.
yeah not quite its not that he made them rich. A lot of people were genuinly scared of what was happening under the UP, you do know what was going on in the years leading up to 73 right? Mobs were taking over peoples farms and private property like Zimbabwae. I have no time for the guy but tell the whole story why dont you.

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Post by xilantro » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:19 pm

Oh it was all politics, no doubt, but the small step from stealing to kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder, on a massive scale, is what clearly does not compute with a very unrepentant group of people. Just that exact "fuck you, I didn't get tortured" attitude of Chileans heaping praise on their strongman is what I was alluding to being a sentiment that is treated as legitimate in the titanic brainwash of local politics. Having only seen human decency on television and on vacay, the UDI types have it a little wrong, and are unable to understand why a mass-murderer should not be treated as a hero, except other countries seem to turn away when they do...

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Post by Dosedmonkey » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:28 pm

I think some of the things he done are understandably popular. But the methods used in preventing a communist war were brutal and disgusting. Sadly it doesn't help when people like CIA are still doing it recently, this makes a bad example to less wealthy countries.

The other thing is, for a lot of Chileans achieving the goal is much more important then the method used to get there, so that obviously bolstered his support.

Its a tough one, only you need look across the boarder to Peru and its much bloodied horrible 30 year's of communist insurgency. Or any of the failed communist states, the ones that have survived are now completely capatilist. The only one that hasn't changed to capatilist ways so much is Venezula and I don't want to go there thanks.

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Post by xilantro » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:55 pm

Well, I think I disagree with pretty much everything there, so here is an honest set of points about why. I'm sorry that it seems a little ballistic, but where murder is justified and inequality swept under the carpet, it sets me off a bit. Call me dysfunctional.. :)

"some of the things he done are understandably popular" - to a group of people so primitive they can't comprehend human rights, and would ignore the cost in lives and human rights to others, possibly.

"preventing a communist war" - you mean preventing people from resisting Nixon's "make their economy scream" interference however they can? What if that Dick had not destroyed the economy?

"less wealthy countries" - don't kid yourself - Chile is poor and miserable, except for a tiny percentage. The wealth is not national and not shared. it is privately held.

"achieving the goal is much more important then the method used to get there" - right - decency does not fit as concept in those brains.

As for communist countries, keep in mind that the words Communism and Socialism are interchangeable in Marxist theory - only uneducated buffoons like Joe McCarthy drew a distinction to be able to go murder people in Guatemala to protect his funders. Scandinavia is a pretty good example of Communist ideals implemented well - classless if not stateless, and they seem a model in so many ways. All the countries that have made a big deal of trumpeting communism as ideal have basically been run by corrupt megalomaniacs - that is not a shortcoming of communism - it is personal political corruption made strong by bad education.

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Post by El Lechero » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:44 am

You know the only thing that annoys ( maybe not annoys me i just find ammusing) me more than the udi and the left arguing about Pinnochet?
Gringos arguing and thinking they know the whole story about things that happened 40 years ago because they read something on wikipedia or did a political science paper. Gringos commenting on how they see the lay of the land today ,sure everyone does that. But as for the rest of gringos with theories on what did and didnt happen in those years, yeah i find it ammusing.Just saying.

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