TPP and the Pacific Alliance

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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by wineman12 » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:13 pm

Also agree.Anything secret like this stinks.Just what are they hiding?

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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by HybridAmbassador » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:24 pm

The TPP participant countries to build world's 40 % economy. US had to succumb to AU, US wanted 12 year for drugs to become generic use before others started making them, AU,Chile,Peru wanted 5 years, they compromised in how many years?.. SECRET no less !
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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by frozen-north » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:10 pm

HybridAmbassador wrote:
The TPP participant countries to build world's 40 % economy. US had to succumb to AU, US wanted 12 year for drugs to become generic use before others started making them, AU,Chile,Peru wanted 5 years, they compromised in how many years?.. SECRET no less !
Twelve years? That is only for 'biologic drugs'.


President Obama signed on March 23, 2010, authorized the Food and Drug Administration to approve generic versions of biologic drugs and grant biologics manufacturers 12 years of exclusive use before generics can be developed.
But...
The time it takes a generic drug to appear on the market varies. In most countries of the world, patents give 20 years of protection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_drug
2. How long is a patent granted for?
Patents expire 20 years from the date of filing. Many other factors can affect the duration of a patent.

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DevelopmentApp ... 079031.htm
Biologic drugs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biologic_medical_product

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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by john » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:23 pm

Self-serving? Yes, but welcome nonetheless. Is there light at the end of the tunnel? :wink:

Hillary Clinton Opposes Obama's Trans-Pacific Trade Deal
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-d ... -news&_r=0
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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by Andres » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:20 am

john wrote:Self-serving? Yes, but welcome nonetheless. Is there light at the end of the tunnel? :wink:
Hillary Clinton Opposes Obama's Trans-Pacific Trade Deal
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-d ... -news&_r=0
Listen to her closely, John. Her opinion was highly qualified (conditional), leaving her the option of flip-flopping for any excuse whatsoever, like the slime-ball she is.
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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by john » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:13 am

Andres wrote:
john wrote:Self-serving? Yes, but welcome nonetheless. Is there light at the end of the tunnel? :wink:
Hillary Clinton Opposes Obama's Trans-Pacific Trade Deal
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-d ... -news&_r=0
Listen to her closely, John. Her opinion was highly qualified (conditional), leaving her the option of flip-flopping for any excuse whatsoever, like the slime-ball she is.
Indeed it was highly qualified. And, so, it will be interesting to hear how she responds to questions on this topic at next Tuesday's first Democratic presidential debate. Hope lives eternal. :wink:
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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by john » Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:55 pm

Wikileaks release of TPP deal text stokes 'freedom of expression' fears
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ts-chapter
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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by admin » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:22 pm

The eff looks at it, and mentions chile got a grandfathered exception for its isp:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/10/f ... -we-feared

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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by Andres » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:38 pm

jaja; this is called "free trade" in government parlance.
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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by admin » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:22 pm

hey, don't forget TISA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_in_ ... _Agreement

With an even more secret agreement:
The agreement has been criticized for the secrecy around the negotiation. The cover page of the negotiating document leaked by Wikileaks says: "Declassify on: Five years from entry into force of the TISA agreement or, if no agreement enters into force, five years from the close of the negotiations."[2] Because of this practice it is not possible to be informed about the liberalizing rules that the participating countries propose for the future agreement. Only Switzerland has a practice of making public on the Internet all the proposals it submitted to the other parties since June 2012.[3] European Union published its "offer" for TISA only in July 2014,[10] after the Wikileaks disclosure.
Which, becomes rather mind boggling way of creating a laws (outside any democratic debate), that are kept secret, such that no one knows if they are following it; but...wait. the U.S. is pushing it, so it must be o.k. Never mind.
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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by papageno » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:45 pm

Any Forumites following the International Monetary Fund meetings in Lima?

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Re: TPP and the Pacific Alliance

Post by john » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:21 pm

papageno wrote:Any Forumites following the International Monetary Fund meetings in Lima?
My understanding is that the IMF meetings have concluded. Here are a couple of related reports:

IMF: Beware third storm brewing
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... 17&ref=rss

IMF, World Bank meetings conclude in Peru
http://www.jamestownsun.com/news/nation ... clude-peru
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