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AUSTRALIA FIRES WTF???

Post by hlf2888 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:18 am

I cannot believe that the world has calmly stood by for the first 3 months of the Australia fires. Only now, after the country is destroyed, are other countries deciding to help. WTF? it is almost like the global fu**ing elites are letting Australia burn so they can go in later and profit from the fire sale.

I base this observation on the difference of reaction when the worst wildfires in Chilean history happened in 2017. Within weeks other countries, including Russia, Mexico, Columbia, France, Portugal, Canada and the US were sending reinforcements and water bombers. The fires were extinguished in a few weeks. The fires are still destroying Australia months later and no end is in sight. What happened to human decency and global consciousness and responsibility?

Why the extreme global apathy towards Australia and the rapid response to Chile? Have catastrophes become ho-hum or is there a global political agenda. I am pissed and devastated by what is happening in Australia and want some answers if anyone has any.

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Post by nwdiver » Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:27 am

They never asked for help, Chile did.......
It's all about the wine.

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Post by admin » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:31 am

nwdiver wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:27 am
They never asked for help, Chile did.......
yea, the government was in extreme denial there was a problem, because they are extreme climate change deniers. Would not want to disrupt that cash cow coal industry.

That they only recently called up the military to help, is just criminal.

There is also something baffling that I have been seeing on australian TV.

There are interviews with people that lost their houses, especially in the SE Australia. These guys are standing next to the burned out foundation of their house, telling the story of how they ran away or tried to fight the fire, etc. Next to their house, sometime like 5 or 10 feet, are massive stands of trees. sometimes right up next to their house.

Is there a lack of chainsaws or something in Australia? Are they not allowed to cut trees? I don't get it.

I lived in a house that was in the middle of a national park in the states for years (like cross the property line, you are in the national forest). The forestry service for the park ordered us to cut a fire break 500 feet from our house. we had big, big, 100+ yearold pine trees in the yard.

That was as much to protect us from forest fires, as to protect the forest from us. If our house caught on fire, they did not want it spreading in to the park. Now, I would say that 500 foot break was way too close.
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Post by admin » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:58 am

this is just the first article I came across with photos. You can pretty much open any article with photos of burned houses, and see what I mean.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/worl ... pe=Article

why are those trees still standing? why have they not cut those back to at least 500 yards, and knowing what is going on, what is coming, much, much more?
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Post by admin » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:09 am

I mean look at this. The guy is still trying to save his landscaping, while it is on fire and just feet from his house.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/01/worl ... pe=Article

I long ago identified the trees and bushes in my yard that will have to go, of we have a bad fire year. I hate to cut them, but better a few trees and bushes than my house. luckily we are surrounded by large fields on all sides, but those could dry out too in a really bad year.

we are also on a peninsula, that gets a lot more rain and moisture than the rest of the region (it is raining right now). still I am ready to take the saw to them, and figure I need a day to do it right and a few hours in a hurry to clear out the vegetation.
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Post by El Ping » Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:48 pm

Currently sitting here on the farm in NE Victoria some 50 miles upwind from the nearest fires. Visibility yesterday 100 metres, today 400 metres in smoke.
I can't comment on the NSW fires.. I was bouncing around on a bus in northern Chile when they started.
The present crop in far south NSW, East Gippsland , and North East Victoria? Down to dry lightning strikes as far as we know at present.
That is a major cause hereabouts along with 'tree over powerline' issues... less common now.
This sort of fireseason is not unusual in Victoria, yes it is earlier than normal.
Now .. 'living memory' for most of the population extends back to about 2000... me? a little longer.
Notable fires in Victoria... 1939 2,000,000 hectares burnt in 48 hours... 71 dead, 1983 ... 75 dead, 2009... 173 dead.
Common denominator... severe drought over preceeding years.

So, why do we not seek outside assistence...? We do get a token input from US, NZ and Canada maybe 70 or so firefighters ( we have 2000 of our own CFA men fighting fires in Victoria as I speak.
What is the CFA?
https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/about/who-we-are
19000 well trained firefighters , 3000 permanent staff, 1600 fire tankers. Melbourne has its own full time urban fire service.
Other states have similar organisations.
Fires are a state issue what with us being a federation and all.
The military? Well we did have to wait for Sooty from Marketing and the Minister for Defence to get back from their overseas holidays before anything happened. They aren't trained to fight fires (well not in this sense ). What they are providing in the current fires ( which are 'slow burners' compared with 2009 ) is logistic support.... ships and helicopters ... to evacuate isolated communities . The reservists... once they get back from their hols .. will most likely find themselves burying dead livestock and trucking in supplies etc.

An interesting thing that I have only just become aware of...

Two years ago the Federal government denied money to the states to fund more heavy fire bombers. Guess who was Treasurer at the time... yep 'Nero' Morrison

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 53ozq.html

Note... in this country the Federal government collects all the taxes... the states have to go to Canberra once a year with their begging bowls.

Oh... did I mention that Morrison is a dickhead...

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Post by Donnybrook » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:12 pm

Oh... did I mention that Morrison is a dickhead...
Yes, the rest of the world gathered that.

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Post by hlf2888 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:13 am

thank you nwdiver, admin and El Ping. Now I have a better understanding. I think Morrison should be arrested for crimes against nature, for letting it go on this long without asking for the help that was desperately needed.

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Post by admin » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:38 pm

and the smoke is probably going to reach Chile.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Tecnologi ... -NASA.html

what shocked me was the estimate that 20 million hectares burned, more than the California and brazil fires, together.
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Post by PXYC » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:45 pm

Bolsonaro's support among brazilien voters didn't decreased because of the Brazil Amazonia fires. I wonder if the same happens to Australia government.

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Post by El Ping » Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:00 pm

I failed to mention that the state of Victoria also has the full time FFMV... Forest Fire Management Victoria.... apart from fire fighting they are also responsible for fuel reduction burns 'offseason'.. and are always at war with greens, conservationists etc etc....
FFMY are the people who have the fire bombing aircraft.

This worth a read.. https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 53p7v.html

People really are stupid .. building on the same site next to the same forest... oh well only 100 more days of summer to survive...

Popular opinion will sort out Morrison soon enough..... main problem is they let Queenslanders vote... that is just so wrong....

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Post by admin » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:08 am

this sort of illustrates why it is so important to have fire breaks between human settlements and forest. humans are simply one of the most common ignition sources, both intentional and accidental.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/07/aust ... index.html
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