Venezuela crisis

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:37 pm

I found it interesting today, in a press conference by John Bolton in front of the white house, he listed off a whole bunch of Maduro's high level people that he said had promised to change sides today, and did not.

Which seems to have a few possibilities:

A) they really did promise, and he was hoping that it would motivate them to go through with whatever they promised.

B) They never did, but that will sure get Maduro doubting their loyalty.

C) They did promise, and he was just outing them to Maduro in retaliation.

I guess B and C amount to the same outcome, so it does not matter beyond possibly spooking a bunch of other Maduro people to start worrying they might be the next name dropped at a white house press conference.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:42 pm

Zh seems to have the best summary of the day's events:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04- ... up-attempt
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:47 pm

so strangly durring a press conference at the chilean embassy, chile says lopez did not request asylum. just protection in the embassy.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:59 pm

meanwhile, caracas chronicals over recent weeks / months seems to have been strangly dying off, with less and less information.

they killed their comment section a couple months ago, and the tone of the writing seems to now be anti-maduro but pro-socialist.

this was all they got out today.

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:23 pm

interesting twist.

supposedly maduro had a plane waiting to take him to cuba, and russia talked him in to staying

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04- ... protesters

9f course take all those spurces with way more than a grain of salt. perhaps a whole truck load of salt.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by Julito » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:35 pm

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/04/30 ... dishonest/

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by Julito » Sun May 19, 2019 9:20 pm

There is little mystery why the US would take pains to overthrow the government of little Nicaragua (population 6 million). In addition to Nicaragua’s current and historical geo-strategic importance, President Daniel Ortega’s administration greatly improved people’s lives, presenting what is often called “the threat of a good example.”

Prior to the war and during the Ortega administration, poverty and extreme poverty were halved. Basic healthcare and education were free. Illiteracy fell from one-third of the population to nearly zero. Access to electricity went from a little over half the population to 90%. Through state subsidy programs, small and medium agricultural producers had achieved near-complete food sovereignty for the country. In defiance of the dictates of the US and the global neoliberal order, Nicaragua failed to privatize essential public services, and kept friendly relations with Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China and Iran.

Also notable, in light of the events of 2018, Nicaragua built a national police force recognized by the UN for its humane, community policing, headed until mid-2018 by Aminta Granera Sacasa, former nun, mother of three and Sandinista revolutionary, who during her tenure was among the most popular politicians in the country.

In the eyes of the US, these achievements are capital crimes.

"The threat of a good example" pretty much explains it....

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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:13 pm

Here is how the other half live in Venezuela; or, more exactly, the other half of 0.01%

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... s-collapse
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by admin » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:19 pm

There was an interesting point in there, about how the rich in Venezuela seem to have made the mistake of not getting involved in politics when they should have.

Which, looking at the rest of Latin America, there is always the boogie-man to point at of the ultra-rich and ultra-powerful families. Typically accused of robbing the country. Which, I am certain, most of have from time to time.

What they often get less credit for, is a tendency to also act as semi-sane counter-anchor to radical extreme left and outright communism, in a 'it literally takes two to tango' sort of way.

Chile, for all it has been through, and all the bitching (from both ends of the spectrum), seems to have struck the best balance between the right and the left in the Americas. It seems to be a common pattern in Latin America, when countries really go off the rails, it is because that spectrum does not exist; or, more exactly there is no spectrum that allows for a solid center. The wild swings from far left, to far right, simply create massive instability. The way you counter too much left, or too much right, economically and politically, is to move more to the center until things stabilize.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by lost gringo » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:15 pm

Looks like Peru's initial support of fleeing Venezuelan's is starting to erode.

"As Venezuela's mass exodus persists, the initial warm welcome many migrants received has begun to wear thin. In recent weeks, several videos on social media in Peru have shown migrants being assaulted, threatened or harassed, sparking concerns that xenophobic attacks on the newcomers are mounting."


https://news.yahoo.com/mounting-venezue ... 05321.html
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Re: Venezuela crisis

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lost gringo wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:15 pm
Looks like Peru's initial support of fleeing Venezuelan's is starting to erode.

"As Venezuela's mass exodus persists, the initial warm welcome many migrants received has begun to wear thin. In recent weeks, several videos on social media in Peru have shown migrants being assaulted, threatened or harassed, sparking concerns that xenophobic attacks on the newcomers are mounting."


https://news.yahoo.com/mounting-venezue ... 05321.html
That has been growing for the last couple of years. now that peru is in the middle of political crisis, Venezuelans are first to take the heat.

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/ ... s-in-peru/

This was bound to happen. peru, in spite of its economic advances in recent years, is still 20 or 30 years behind Chile. It also has deep seated racist and class issues, that keeps inequality at a whole other level compared to chile. now, throw another 1 million+ low skilled immigrants in to the mix, and it is not going to end well.

Chile was able absorb the 1 million person initial wave of haitens and Venezuelans over that first few years, then put some sort of temporary break on it recently. Chile I believe is still looking at a couple of hundred thousand immigrants a year (have not checked the stats recently), but chile society and economy can handle that. Peru is no condition to handle that. It still has far too many of its own poor people deal with.
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Re: Venezuela crisis

Post by FrankPintor » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:42 pm

Yeah, Peru was always going to run out of steam, there's nothing sustaining growth there: the education system must be abysmal, judging by the quality of the graduates I've worked with there, the economy is based on natural resources, fruit, veggies, and that's about it. No value-added production that I know of, no knowledge-based services or industries, and any consumer goods are imported by Chilean companies, to be sold by Chilean companies operating in Peru.

The culture doesn't help either, revolving as it does around greed, envy, cheating, and fraud, so now that growth has stalled, Peruvians are blaming anyone but themselves. Venezuelans there are just in the wrong place at the wrong time, the few I know there are looking to get out again, returning to Venezuela (it's that bad apparently for them), or onward to Argentina or Brazil.
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