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Re: READ THIS: POSTING GUIDLINES AND INSTRUCTIONS

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:50 pm
by admin
First, it is written in big letters on the top of the classified section.

I consider IAC to be a group, organization, or association; either that or they are mascaraing as such and are in fact a commercial operation. In either case, disqualified from posting in the classified section. We don't allow expat groups to advertise on the forum for the most part. I have made a couple exception, but very rare.

Why the issue with such groups? Because we have had and extensive history of issues with people using "expat groups", "expat clubs", and such around Santiago, that were in fact using them as a method to contact foreigners for rather shady purposes. A few cost me a lot of time and money to deal with, and ultimately left the country in a really hurry after being visited by the PDI. In the meantime, they managed to cause a lot of trouble around the expat community in Chile and foreign owned businesses in Chile.

Thus, in my book, none of them are worth the risk or the trouble to get involved with. We don't want our name associated with any of them, when something does go really wrong. Plenty of other places on the internet for such groups. We don't need them here.

Re: READ THIS: POSTING GUIDLINES AND INSTRUCTIONS

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:33 pm
by zer0nz
admin wrote:First, it is written in big letters on the top of the classified section.

I consider IAC to be a group, organization, or association; either that or they are mascaraing as such and are in fact a commercial operation. In either case, disqualified from posting in the classified section. We don't allow expat groups to advertise on the forum for the most part. I have made a couple exception, but very rare.

Why the issue with such groups? Because we have had and extensive history of issues with people using "expat groups", "expat clubs", and such around Santiago, that were in fact using them as a method to contact foreigners for rather shady purposes. A few cost me a lot of time and money to deal with, and ultimately left the country in a really hurry after being visited by the PDI. In the meantime, they managed to cause a lot of trouble around the expat community in Chile and foreign owned businesses in Chile.

Thus, in my book, none of them are worth the risk or the trouble to get involved with. We don't want our name associated with any of them, when something does go really wrong. Plenty of other places on the internet for such groups. We don't need them here.
Its the iac....... its like... ummm the most reputable group you can get in sanitago... next to the santiago community church.....

its just alot of rich expats wifes who keep them selfs entertained with fundraising and community projects....

complete with an elected board and a actual location in santiago..

Re: READ THIS: POSTING GUIDLINES AND INSTRUCTIONS

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:45 pm
by Donnybrook
Admin, if I may offer a bit of background on the IAC in the hopes of changing your mind. It was formed a few years ago with the fusion of the AAC (American), the Canadian Association and BIG (British). All three associations had been around for many, many years. There isn't any commercial benefit to anyone. On the contrary, all activities are held for the benefit of different charities in Chile. Each of the three groups brought their favourite charities into the fold. These include Colegio Helen Keller, Fundacion Crescendo, the British Legion, Hogar Oncologica Felipe Rivera, Mision de Maria etc. It is not just about donations, however, and there are many hands on projects which members are involved in. Members are from a wide range of nationalities and not all are expats by any means. Membership fees go toward upkeep of a small house, which was the property of the AAC.

It really is a very respectable organisation which does a lot of good in Chile and nothing like some of the expat groups you refer to which have come and gone over the years. The garage sale is just one of the yearly fundraisers.

Re: READ THIS: POSTING GUIDLINES AND INSTRUCTIONS

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:10 pm
by Kathi
Thanks for the support, Donnybrook and zerOnz (although not all members are rich, expats or wives!!!) Perhaps it would be helpful to list the projects that the IAC supported in 2011:

Colegio Hellen Keller in Nuñoa - This residential facility is the only school for the blind in Santiago, with 95 full time students. The school offers a full range of educational opportunities, including classes to train teachers from other parts of the country. The IAC purchased and paid for installation of new thermal windows for the school. Project costs: $4.000.000

Escuela Basica Canada in Quilicura - This local school in the community of Quilicura provides education and support to more than 700 students. After raising the funds to construct a new wing with an additional 15 classrooms, they are looking for additional support for a new library and sports program. The IAC is working with them on this project. Project costs: $11.000.000.

Fundacion Escuchame in Santiago - This foundation provides funds to Corporacion Comunica which is a rehabilitation center for children who have profound hearing loss and as well as those who are hard of hearing; they work with children from 2 years and older to provide implants and hearing aid. The IAC purchased two sets of hearing aids for this organization. Project costs: $4.000.000

Fundacion Savia in Nuñoa - This Fundacion provides support and counseling for those persons affected with the HIV aids virus. They work to assist in providing medicines and treatment for those afflicted with the disease. The IAC bought computers and office equipment. Project costs: $2.300.000

Hogar Oncologica Felipe Rivera in Nuñoa -This hogar offers a place of refuge for children suffering from cancer. They provide residential facilities for children and a parent, while the child is undergoing cancer treatment. They offer psychological, social and spiritual support throughout the process. The AC purchased new wheelchairs for the facility. Project costs: $2.700.000

Hogar Paz y Alegria in Batuco - This hogar is home to 54 elderly persons who have been abandoned by their families. The home provides a loving, caring environment in a peaceful setting. The IAC purchased a centrifuge to assist with the laundry. Project costs: $410.000

Vision for Chile in La Granja - Hogar La Granja is a residential facility, supported by Vision for Chile, which provides a safe living environment for 73 girls placed by the Ministry of Justice. The children are taken from unsafe homes, having lived with abuse and violence, and live in the Hogar in a family setting. The IAC purchased materials to construct a new outer wall for the facility to provide protection from the dangerous neighborhood. Project costs: $2.200.000

It would be great to be able to list the Garage Sale, which also offers a service to chile fourm members. I'm sorry that you have been burned by other organizations, but we are one of the good guys, I promise!!

Re: READ THIS: POSTING GUIDLINES AND INSTRUCTIONS

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:52 pm
by admin
Great, please send me a check for the over $10,000 US it costs me to screw around with expat groups in Chile. The answer is no. I am not risking it. Way too much to loose, nothing to gain.

Wish them them best of luck, hope they are all really legit. Hope everyone finds some use in them; but, it is way too risky for us to be associated with them or any other expat group in Chile. We are simply not doing it anymore. We are not even going to passively endorse such a group in Chile, legit or not. There are plenty of means for those groups to promote themselves on the internet.

Here is the thing with such groups. They might be great for years, but can suddendly take a bad turn for a million diffrent reasons. We don't want our name associated with them, if they do. Even if the group as a whole does not, the individuals members change. If someone gets ripped off (or worse), I do not want it ever said, "well, the Chile Forum recommend them". When that happens, I don't even want a vague association of the forum simmering in the back of someone's head.

The amount of screw around time involved to just police the various groups out there, is sufficient reason to not want them promoted on the forum. Especially if there is anything to do with money.

Let me put this another way. I am not against expat groups. I occasionally go to meetings of an expat group in the X region where I live. I have a great time. Almost the entire group is either clients and / or close friends. If they were up to no good, I would likly be the first to know about it. We don't operate it or have any involvement with them beyond the occasional dinner party, but otherwise I know they are pretty legit. Have you ever heard me mention them on this forum?

Re: READ THIS: POSTING GUIDLINES AND INSTRUCTIONS

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:17 pm
by Kathi
Have they had a Garage Sale that others might be able to buy cheap items?