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Re: Falklands

Post by nwdiver » Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:40 pm

Afterburner wrote:The British have sent a nuclear submarine to "protect the islands":

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/navy-sends-sub ... 28454.html


A sub a Cruiser and a Prince, well Willy is a SAR pilot, it would be a different story if they sent Harry (the fighting Prince) down instead of to Afghanistan.
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Re: Falklands

Post by bazzasoft » Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:07 pm

Slightly off topic but I hear there has been an ice collapse on the Perito Merino glacier in Argentina and in the comments below the video (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthn ... apses.html) someone has written "the disgrace is that Mrs. Kirchner and her inner circle control most of the hotels and inns around the glacier.".
I don't know how true that is but the old smoke/fire saying may apply and the video is interesting.
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Re: Falklands

Post by nwdiver » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:35 pm

Here is a blog entry from the Falklands do in the last few weeks.


http://www.sailblogs.com/member/sequitu ... gID=210679
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Re: Falklands

Post by greg~judy » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:40 pm

nwdiver wrote:Here is a blog entry from the Falklands do in the last few weeks.
thanks - nice link nwd~
we have a sailing friend in YVR who knows these folks!
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some great images of stanley and surrounds
we liked this map the crew found there...
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Re: Falklands

Post by Billhere » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:09 am

bambi851 wrote:If they are cancelling any flights, then the Argies are shooting themselves in the foot, specially this year.
The Argentines have now approached the British Government to establish a flight link between Argentina and the Falklands. David Cameron has said that is a matter for the Falklands administration to decide whether they want it or not.

That approach might be because of the thirty year anniversary coming up as has been mentioned already.

There is a major plan under way to upgrade the runways in the Falklands to take larger planes according to the papers I read while in Chile about a month ago now, but I think the route to get there avoiding Argentine airspace is going to be a bit convoluted.

As for people working together, hasn't that always been the case, it normally seemes to be some Government or other willy waving that causes the problems.

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Re: Falklands

Post by greg~judy » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:08 am

a nice segue to combine the LAN thread + the falklands thread
http://www.santiagotimes.cl/world/latin ... nds-to-end
is there anyone we know heading off to the malvinas in the near future?
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Argentina’s president wants Chilean flights to Falkland Islands to end

In an unexpected about turn, Argentine President Cristina Fernández announced late last week that she would like to schedule flights from Argentina to the Falkland Islands, or the Malvinas, as Argentines calls the south Atlantic archipelago.

The flights would be operated by the state-owned airline Aerolineas Argentinas. There are currently no flights from Argentina to the Falklands.

"We're going to ask for negotiations in order to have ... flights leaving from mainland Argentina - Buenos Aires - to the islands in our flag carrier, Aerolineas Argentinas," President Fernandez said in a speech to Congress.

This announcement was made on Thursday and appears to mark a change in the Argentine government's strategy. It comes after rumours circulated that Argentina would not allow flights destined for the islands through Argentinean airspace. This would include flights by Chilean airline LAN.

Currently LAN is the only airline in South America to fly to the Falkland Islands, according to an agreement signed between Argentina and Britain in 1999. The flight connects Port Stanley in the Falklands to Santiago de Chile via Puenta Arenas in southern Chile.


Britain's Foreign Office said any discussion of the flights was a matter for the Falkland Islands government to consider. Bt it added that “if Argentina is keen to promote air links between the continent and the islands, it should reconsider its ban on charter flights through its airspace.”

In a statement published on Friday by the Argentine daily Clarin, the British Governor of the Falklands, Nigel Haywood, said that he would prefer to agree to an increase in the frequency of flights with countries other than Argentina.

“We would prefer to look elsewhere. To other countries that are not so hostile towards us,” Haywood said.

Argentina’s president told the nation’s legislature Thursday that she had given Héctor Timerman, Minister of Foreign Relations, instructions to negotiate with Great Britain for two or three flights to the Falklands a week, leaving not from Punta Arenas in Chile, as is currently the case, but from Buenos Aires.

This announcement comes after Argentina proposed the cancellation of LAN flights between Chile and the Malvinas at the beginning of February, a result of Chile’s trans Andean pact with Argentina.

The potential ban on LAN flights between Chile and the Falklands provoked criticism and protests within the Chilean community on the island.

The prohibition, if it had gone ahead, would have meant that Chileans resident in the Falklands would have to travel via London to return to Chile.


LAN has yet to issue a statement in reaction to the new bid by Argentina’s president to schedule flights from their capital to the Malvinas.

Fernández’s proposal to establish flights between Buenos Aires and the Falklands came the same week that Argentina denied two cruise ships operated by British companies the right to dock at the port of Ushuaia, in Argentina’s southern province of Tierra del Fuego.

Argentina’s Ministry of Industry also recently asked 20 national and intentional companies to stop importing products of a British origin.

The president’s announcement comes at a time of increased tension with the United Kingdom and Argentina, as preparations are made to mark the 30th anniversary of the war fought over the islands.

In recent months, diplomatic relations between the two countries have worsened.

The president said Thursday that the islands are no longer simply a local issue but “have become a regional, American and global cause.”

Fernandez argued that there has been an increased ‘militarization’ in the area by the British, citing the arrival of a new destroyer ship, the deployment of Prince William, second in the line to the British throne, on a rescue mission to the island and the deployment of a thousand British troops to an island with only 2,995 residents.

The British, however, note that Argentina has been increasingly aggressive in its relations with the Falklands.

Fernández has already lodged a complaint against the United Kingdom to the UN for what it considers Britain’s ‘militarization’ of the island.

Britain continues to maintain the islanders’ right to self-determination and promises to protect the island’s inhabitants, known as Kelpers, whatever decision they make they make concerning their own sovereignty.

Fernández’s official visit to Chile is scheduled for the middle of March during which time ministers are expected to discuss the issue.

Chile’s government has consistently sided with Argentina over the Falkland Islands issue since the war in 1982. In January Chile confirmed, as a member of the South American trading block Mercosur, that ships flying the Falkland’s flag would be denied entry into Chilean ports.
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Re: Falklands

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:19 am

How soon government officials forget about Argentina reneging on natural gas deals and cutting off Chile more than once during the winter. Any support of Argentina should come with assurances of energy gifts.
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Re: Falklands

Post by Dosedmonkey » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:05 pm

Billhere wrote:
bambi851 wrote:If they are cancelling any flights, then the Argies are shooting themselves in the foot, specially this year.
The Argentines have now approached the British Government to establish a flight link between Argentina and the Falklands. David Cameron has said that is a matter for the Falklands administration to decide whether they want it or not.

That approach might be because of the thirty year anniversary coming up as has been mentioned already.

There is a major plan under way to upgrade the runways in the Falklands to take larger planes according to the papers I read while in Chile about a month ago now, but I think the route to get there avoiding Argentine airspace is going to be a bit convoluted.

As for people working together, hasn't that always been the case, it normally seemes to be some Government or other willy waving that causes the problems.
I won't go into my job completely, as is a public forum, but it involves patroling, and antarctic waters, and spending a lot of time in contact with the Falklands, and now have a lot of friends who are locals and also work for different industries on the island.

There is a lfight between Argentina and the Falklands, it is part of the deal for the LAN flight from Punta to Falklands, which is every Saturday. It must once a month land in Argentina. The last two months, Argentina has been threatening to remove this flight. Despite the fact its high altittude over Argentina makes it international airspace. With this gone hundreds of Chileans who work there and myself would have to fly via the UK to get to the island. There is two flights from the UK to the Falklands, one military run, one oil run.

The runway is large enough to land any aircraft that exsists currently, it has had jumbo jets land their in the past. It recently just under went some major repairs last year.

In rescent years Argentina has been pushing to stop all shipping between Chile and Falklands, with little resistance from Chilean Government, meaning they have lost their vital short supply link, now all shipping for food stuff and other supplies only comes from the UK. All fresh fruit and such flys via LAN Chile's weekly flight. The Chilean President did talk on TV two or three weeks previous, due to the squeeze on the Air Flights which could leave Chileans stranded in the Falklands, and to try and prevent further escalation, refirming Chile's strong ties with the British Government, including military.

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Re: Falklands

Post by Billhere » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:40 am

The extension to whichever runway in the Falklands is part of a capital expenditure plan to get the building industry kickstarted again according to the news here.

It is one of a number of large scale projects being mooted by the present Government and is reminicent of the 1930's during the recession then when similar happenned.

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Re: Falklands

Post by Dosedmonkey » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:18 pm

Get building industry kick started again? Have you been to Stanley rescently? Even directors of companies are helping shovel cement they are building at such a rapid rate for the oil industry support structure. Hehe.

If it is for the Capitals airport, an expansion plan would probably involve buying porta-cabin. Currently only the Islander planes use it, which are able to land on fields as well as Stanleys capitals runway. Possible expansion for further helicopter use. They are planning however to create a new deep water port, which has been in the tunnel for a long time and is going to be a major project, I think now they want it in Stanley, not the best option in my mind, as involves a lot of dredging, now and in future.

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Re: Falklands

Post by nwdiver » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:27 pm

greg~judy wrote:a nice segue to combine the LAN thread + the falklands thread
http://www.santiagotimes.cl/world/latin ... nds-to-end
is there anyone we know heading off to the malvinas in the near future?
SCL - PUQ - PSY (suerte!)
please report back - pictures would be nice?
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Argentina’s president wants Chilean flights to Falkland Islands to end


Fernandez argued that there has been an increased ‘militarization’ in the area by the British, citing the arrival of a new destroyer ship, the deployment of Prince William, second in the line to the British throne, on a rescue mission to the island and the deployment of a thousand British troops to an island with only 2,995 residents.

The British, however, note that Argentina has been increasingly aggressive in its relations with the Falklands.

Fernández has already lodged a complaint against the United Kingdom to the UN for what it considers Britain’s ‘militarization’ of the island.

Britain continues to maintain the islanders’ right to self-determination and promises to protect the island’s inhabitants, known as Kelpers, whatever decision they make they make concerning their own sovereignty.

Fernández’s official visit to Chile is scheduled for the middle of March during which time ministers are expected to discuss the issue.

Chile’s government has consistently sided with Argentina over the Falkland Islands issue since the war in 1982. In January Chile confirmed, as a member of the South American trading block Mercosur, that ships flying the Falkland’s flag would be denied entry into Chilean ports.



When British Honduras because Belize, Honduras thought now we can take over, the only problem was 1,600 British SAS troops doing their jungle training, well Belize is still Belize and Britain still does all its SAS jungle training there. Prince Harry has been a bad boy this past weekend while on a trip to Belize, or so the news papers have said this past weekend, thank god it’s his brother in the Falklands.

The British will keep a presents as long as the Kelpers want them there, it’s their new windy-cold-rainy-wet training area, as they probably see losing their access to the highlands in Scotland when they separate ;)
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Re: Falklands

Post by murf » Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:24 am

I find it ironic and somewhat amusing that Some of the very posters who decry the empire building of the USA are the very same posters who defend the attempts of (arguably) the most destructive empire of them all to hold on to the last vestiges of it's past ill gotten gains.

Long live hypocrisy, I say.
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