Amazon to go to Colombia....Not Chile

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Re: Amazon to go to Colombia....Not Chile

Post by scandinavian » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:07 pm

As I understand it, then it is a service centre they are installing in Colombia - ie a call center / online support. It has nothing to do with either AWS or actually installing a physical distribution centre. If that is understood correctly, then it can be no surprise. Chile is too expensive to operate call center / customer support operations, whereas it is a huge industry in Colombia. That's why you always get a Colombian on the line when calling almost any Chilean company (unless you are a premium client, then you might get a Chilean).

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Re: Amazon to go to Colombia....Not Chile

Post by 41southchile » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:30 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:42 pm
41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:09 pm
if someone had to said to you 10 years ago...
Chile doesn't have the political dynamics and pressing problems of the US or UK. Meanwhile, France has lots of issues with immigration and integration but even there a JAK-like candidate couldn't get enough votes.

So I believe it's really culture-dependent and we should look only at the local trends.
41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:09 pm
I think personally you are giving FA a bit to much credit and don't think they can build much on what they did last time in fact they will probably go backwards.
Nah, no credit, they're quite lame so far but Nueva Mayoria is just stuck in the 00s or even 90s ideologically. So if we are getting a left-wing government in 3 years, I'd prefer the fresh lefties to the expired ones.
41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:09 pm
I also think Jauqin Lavin is a sad joke if he didn't make it in 2003 or whenever it was, you think he will make it 20 years later?
A whole lot of historical Chilean presidents "didn't make it" for over a decade... until they did. Nowadays Lavín is doing really well on social media that didn't exist in 2003.
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:09 pm
You don't think they vote ideologically? What got so many votes for Piñera in 2nd round was the Chilezuela analogy no one wants to go down that track despite all the freebies an bonos from MB and crew, people saw the country under 4 more years of socialist rule and got scared.
"Chilezuela" was more of a meme than anything. Bonos weren't reaching the middle class while Piñera was constantly talking about the improvements for the middle class and self-employed. Voters here aren't stupid to elect a president from a party that tanked the economy in the last few years, so they don't need to be "scared" much.

Not to mention Guillier looking and talking like his mom sent him to participate in the election.
Yeah fair point Chile doesnt have the same cultural issues as those countries, but if we look at local trends then, how many hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants entered Chile, a lot of them with not a lot of valueable skills, the biggest influx in Chiles history ? Yes maybe 10 percent are going to be sent home or so, but that still leaves a shit tonne still here that are competing with the unskilled for doctors visits, schooling, social services in a public sector that Pinera has promised to slash pending on to reduce the gapping fiscal hole the last crowd had left, lets hope things will be ok, but just because no new ones are arriving doesnt mean the problem has sorted out.
Places in the north of Chile are basically shit holes and ghettos with immigrants, in Arica there are houses that the government ordered Chileans out of because the soil was contaminated with something toxic so now illegal immigrants are squating in there, it honestly looks like something in Africa with no sewerage connections and illegal electric connections.
We dont know how lucky we are in the South, I realsiesed after being up there in July, while it may not create a huge fiscal problem all this immigrants (or it might) Chile currently has a shortage of over 300000 social houses apparantly, what happens when immigrants start taking places of Chileans ? Maybe it will be ok while the economy keeps growing, maybe not if things slow right down again, hopefully it will be ok, but Chile still has its own issues that still need to be worked through, just maybe not on the scale of other countries.

I dont know, if we get a left wing government, I dont know wether I would prefer a bunch of newbies that can not even run a town muni let alone a country, fresh new left ideas, mmmm, not too sure on that. I would prefer not to have a left wing governement full stop, theres not even really a lesser of two evils in that situation, FA may sound like a good idea, but there is too much inexperience and too much imaturity that comes with "fresh ideas"

Apart from really doing well on Social media, what else is Lavin offering that is actually relevant or just same old same old populism , ? is he just good at social media ?

Chilezuela was a meme, but it struck a cord and scared enough people when the polls looked to be showing Guiller could pull it off. No maybe bonos were not raching middle class, but my point was that there was enough working poorer Chileans that despite their bonos still saw what shitty socialism had done in Venezuela etc, why didnt they vote for Guiller to carry on getting their bonos if it was all about self interest ? yes the middle classes saw they had tanked the economy, yes everyone in fact saw that, but thats still ideaoligical voting, not to elect socialists again. Hahah made to look like he was put there by his mum classic.

Anyway cheers space cat, I hope this govt does well and does get a second term, but they need to tread carefully with all thats going on, but not too carefully it cant be more of the same old same old, Chile has big issues that need sorting out, fresh economic ideas need to be saught to get Chile reaching its potential again, and FA will not offer that and the shitter socialist countries get, the better it is for JAKs chances if Pineras crew cant pull things off.

The left is full of a lot of toxic ideas that many Chileans will not buy into now, if Pinera and his crowd dont lift their game in the next two years and JAK can get his message accross, maybe they will look past some of the other ideas he has, or maybe they wont care, Chile is still fairly conservative country and there are many many people and their kids that have done alright in the last 30 years and dont want to fall into the socialism trap.
Chile is a country that likes economic freedoms, they like trading, the like negocios etc, what they dont like is concentration of economic power, unfair tax advantages and other things that can be sorted by the right and not the left. Not talking about a redistribution per se more a level playing field.
But its all specualtion and I guess as I said earlier lets see in 2 years whats happening, the ball is squarely in Pineras court and he needs to look to get some ideas that will offer more freedoms and get things moving, he doesnt have long, because honetly if FA got in, I would probably consider leaving Chile, or at least not live here permanently.
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Re: Amazon to go to Colombia....Not Chile

Post by Space Cat » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:14 pm

41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:30 pm
I would prefer not to have a left wing governement full stop, theres not even really a lesser of two evils in that situation, FA may sound like a good idea, but there is too much inexperience and too much imaturity that comes with "fresh ideas"
I have no problem with neither left, nor right governments if they are moderate. Chile has been ruled by various left-wing governments since 1989 and it's the most prosperous period in the country's history.

I know that most of immigrants here are right-leaning, so I'm not trying to persuade you or anybody else, just sharing my views:
41southchile wrote:
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Chile is a country that likes economic freedoms, they like trading, the like negocios etc, what they dont like is concentration of economic power, unfair tax advantages and other things that can be sorted by the right and not the left.
Right-wing governments usually increase concentration of economic power and create tax advantages for their corporate friends. I'm happy to have them for a while, so they can optimize business processes in the country but there's a limit to their usefulness.

Until Chile gets a better education for everybody, it goes nowhere in the terms of development. Right now, a right-wing government can't even put sex.ed. classes in schools because of their religious and overall conservative share of voters. HIV numbers are growing meanwhile.

Improving things like schools and healthcare just isn't "socialism" for me. I was born in a socialist country, so I know how the real one looks. Giveaways are bad but proper investments in your own population aren't.

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Re: Amazon to go to Colombia....Not Chile

Post by 41southchile » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:31 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:14 pm
41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:30 pm
I would prefer not to have a left wing governement full stop, theres not even really a lesser of two evils in that situation, FA may sound like a good idea, but there is too much inexperience and too much imaturity that comes with "fresh ideas"
I have no problem with neither left, nor right governments if they are moderate. Chile was ruled by various left-wing governments since 1989 and it's the most prosperous period in the country's history.

I know that most of immigrants here are right-leaning, so I'm not trying to persuade you or anybody else, just sharing my views:
41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:30 pm
Chile is a country that likes economic freedoms, they like trading, the like negocios etc, what they dont like is concentration of economic power, unfair tax advantages and other things that can be sorted by the right and not the left.
Right-wing governments usually increase concentration of economic power and create tax advantages for their corporate friends. I'm happy to have them for a while, so they can optimize business processes in the country but there's a limit to their usefulness.

Until Chile gets a better education for everybody, it goes nowhere in terms of development. Right now, a right-wing government can't even put sex.ed. classes in schools because of their religious and overall conservative share of voters. HIV numbers are growing meanwhile.

Improving things like schools and healthcare just isn't "socialism" for me. I was born in a socialist country, so I know how the real one looks. Giveaways are bad but proper investments in your own population aren't.
Your last paragraph sums it up very well, Latin American socialism is not real socialism, that is my fear of FA and that's what a lot of people here know, this is not Scandinavian or European socialism its cronyism and bitter hacks angry at those that have done well style of socialism that neither helps those that need better health or education systems it just looks after their inner clique. Be it NM or FA they all fell from the same tree, they are not fresh ideas generally. Of course Education is key but the psudo socialist types here are not going to fix that, some individuals may have great ideas but they will be drowned out by the same old bitter envious payasos de siempre sp in that situation I'd prefer some new right ideas. Anyway, I realize you are not trying to persuade anyone and appreciate your views. In my view I'm still guessing and hoping this government can see the issues and sort shit out and get two terms or JAK rather than FA replaces them if they can't.
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Re: Amazon to go to Colombia....Not Chile

Post by Space Cat » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:31 pm

41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:31 pm
Your last paragraph sums it up very well, Latin American socialism is not real socialism, that is my fear of FA and that's what a lot of people here know, this is not Scandinavian or European socialism its cronyism and bitter hacks angry at those that have done well style of socialism that neither helps those that need better health or education systems it just looks after their inner clique.
Chile isn't a regular LatAm country though (otherwise, most of us probably wouldn't live here). I was going through the history during preparation for the "fines laborales" exam, and lots of public programs created in the 30s-60s still work successfully. Back then they were quite socialist, now they're the norm.
41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:31 pm
Of course Education is key but the psudo socialist types here are not going to fix that, some individuals may have great ideas but they will be drowned out by the same old bitter envious payasos de siempre
Well, at least they should be a real threat because it will stimulate right-wing politicians to incorporate public initiatives into their programs too. The current government implements many initiatives that would be unthinkable for a right-wing party in a truly neoliberal environment like the US.
41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:31 pm
In my view I'm still guessing and hoping this government can see the issues and sort shit out and get two terms or JAK rather than FA replaces them if they can't.
I'm strongly against JAK or anything like him because my native country's history and present made me incredibly averse to authoritarian figures (no matter left or right) who can't bother with human rights. My Ukrainian friends left Chile for Poland (they wanted to live in the EU after all) and nowadays are legitimately scared how the country has changed in just 3 years of a "strong" government.
41southchile wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:31 pm
Anyway, I realize you are not trying to persuade anyone and appreciate your views.
Thanks and thank you for the conversation! Hopefully, the future will be all right.

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