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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by at46 » Wed May 23, 2018 1:29 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:59 am
at46 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:36 am
Geopolitically, Argentina is in the Russo-Sino block.
If this block existed beyond the imagination of the Western media, there would be some actions.
Do yourself a favor, buy a ticket to China if you want to see some action.

Argentine exports have already tipped over slightly in favor of the Russo-Sino block. The same block that already has the greatest growth rates, provides access to the most fantastic technology and even greater prospects for the future what with the emerging single Eurasia-Africa marketplace.

The Anglo sphere just doesn't have the technology, the brains and the workers, to keep it on top anymore. Plus the extreme waste and inefficiency of its capitalist system without central government planning.

Look out 10-20-30 years from now, what do you see?

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by Space Cat » Wed May 23, 2018 1:45 pm

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Wed May 23, 2018 1:29 pm
The same block that already has the greatest growth rates, provides access to the most fantastic technology and even greater prospects for the future what with the emerging single Eurasia-Africa marketplace.
Please name at least one technology or a "hardware" company from Russia in the last 10-20 years. (There are a few strong IT companies like Yandex but nothing compared to the numbers and size of Chinese IT companies.) I'm not denying China's advancements but there's no "Russo" in the block you are describing.
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The Anglo sphere just doesn't have the technology, the brains and the workers, to keep it on top anymore. Plus the extreme waste and inefficiency of its capitalist system without central government planning.
That doesn't make China a Russia's ally. Russians would be incredibly happy to have this ally and the propaganda there has expressed a lot of wishful thinking over the last 10-15 years but China's international actions tell a different story. They move with the money and Russia can't offer much.
at46 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 1:29 pm
Look out 10-20-30 years from now, what do you see?
A shrinkage of the Russian economy out of the Top 20 (it's #12 already), a big wave of emigration (already started), significant-to-huge turmoil after Putin's death. China will probably be the reason of the next worldwide crisis.

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by at46 » Wed May 23, 2018 1:53 pm

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I'm not denying China's advancements but there's no "Russo" in the block you are describing.
So your 'beef' is mostly with Russia then, but not with China? Fair enough.

But the single Eurasia market is just not happening without Russia, can you see that? With Russia though is comes together nicely, and that's what the Chinese want.

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Wed May 23, 2018 2:50 pm

Not sure about argentina in that block, but bolivia definitly is.

Chilean company finally won an award for bolivia siezing their mine.

http://www.latercera.com/pulso/noticia/ ... es/175400/

There were a bunch of rediculas articles floating around recently about bolivia becoming the new global capital of lithium mining, and producing eletric cars.

The only country where i have actuelly seen people still farming with stone tools (that were probably made in china anyway).

yea good luck with that investment thesis.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by HybridAmbassador » Wed May 23, 2018 4:34 pm

China has all the technology perhaps but the party owned ZTE electronic component fabrication has to stop all its assembly lines due to US cutting off supply of much needed IC and related parts. So they can copy cat everything from the West/Japan but not wanting or be able to engineer IC manufacturing technology and machines?

China will always be needing Russo's Jet engine engineering prowess to build their fighter jets. So in part ( most part ) they needing to rely on Russia's technology. Well pretty soon Xi jinpin will face and feel the " century of humiliation " deja vu all over again if keeping the strong arming.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by Space Cat » Wed May 23, 2018 4:43 pm

at46 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 1:53 pm
But the single Eurasia market is just not happening without Russia, can you see that? With Russia though is comes together nicely, and that's what the Chinese want.
Sure, but the countries around are also important (for example -stan's together have over 70 millions in population). China is being very pragmatic while Russia keeps chasing the ghosts and getting into ideological wars even when they harm its economy.
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China will always be needing Russo's Jet engine engineering prowess to build their fighter jets. So in part ( most part ) they needing to rely on Russia's technology. Well pretty soon Xi jinpin will face and feel the " century of humiliation " deja vu all over again if keeping the strong arming.
"Always" is a bit of a stretch in 2018. Russian R&D has barely moved since the Soviet times and China surpassed most of Russian tech already. Less than in a decade Russian rockets and jets will fade away simply because of the humongous brain drain. You can't attract top engineers with $700/mo salaries.

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by HybridAmbassador » Wed May 23, 2018 5:21 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 4:43 pm
at46 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 1:53 pm
But the single Eurasia market is just not happening without Russia, can you see that? With Russia though is comes together nicely, and that's what the Chinese want.
Sure, but the countries around are also important (for example -stan's together have over 70 millions in population). China is being very pragmatic while Russia keeps chasing the ghosts and getting into ideological wars even when they harm its economy.
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Wed May 23, 2018 4:34 pm
China will always be needing Russo's Jet engine engineering prowess to build their fighter jets. So in part ( most part ) they needing to rely on Russia's technology. Well pretty soon Xi jinpin will face and feel the " century of humiliation " deja vu all over again if keeping the strong arming.
"Always" is a bit of a stretch in 2018. Russian R&D has barely moved since the Soviet times and China surpassed most of Russian tech already. Less than in a decade Russian rockets and jets will fade away simply because of the humongous brain drain. You can't attract top engineers with $700/mo salaries.
Why not. Putin still has the most Russo Jews brains with in and all staying put there. All Ukraiina rocket engineers all migrated and now getting good pay from Kim Jung Un of NK. Putin er, the Russos has the Jet engine material engineering for its engines. XI jinpin has tried to copy Russia made jet engine technology but the art of metallurgy is non copiable. They have to dig deep to understanding the chemistry so in that context Putin has the advantage. The radar technology on the Chinese missiles not even closer to Russias. China has to keeping to pay Russia the premium required to arming their vast war arsenal. So I only hear the sound of cash register going,Kaching and more kaching enriching Putins and its cronies pockets. PRC has a huge pile of money fro decades from the sugar Daddy, the USA to keep paying Russia er, Putin...Ha,ha,haa
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by at46 » Wed May 23, 2018 9:04 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 4:43 pm
Sure, but the countries around are also important (for example -stan's together have over 70 millions in population). China is being very pragmatic while Russia keeps chasing the ghosts and getting into ideological wars even when they harm its economy.
The stans are locked and/or lockable by Russia, so nobody in Eurasia avoids Russian tolls going east/west/north or south. I'd say that's a pretty pragmatic policy, which is also fully backed up by it's technologically advanced military with extensive real war experience. The complete dissolution of the 'brotherhood' ideals towards the 'stans' in Russia is also quite remarkable.
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"Always" is a bit of a stretch in 2018. Russian R&D has barely moved since the Soviet times and China surpassed most of Russian tech already. Less than in a decade Russian rockets and jets will fade away simply because of the humongous brain drain. You can't attract top engineers with $700/mo salaries.
So do you think $70,000/mo would automatically produce world shattering scientific achievements? :)

Russia (and China) has a lot of talent. Look who wins world IT competitions among students. Brain drain? I don't think so.
https://icpc.baylor.edu/worldfinals/teams/2018

Also, you can grow top engineers from recent graduates who get hired by military companies, get security clearance and are not allowed to leave the country for the next 25 years or whatever. It's kinda like a country-size low security prison, but now with the Crimea where they can get their suntan :)

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by at46 » Wed May 23, 2018 9:30 pm

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Not sure about argentina in that block
I was surprised Lavrov said that - 'comprehensive strategic partnership' with Argentina - coz that idea did seem stale after Macri came to power. It makes sense though in terms of when it was said - with both Putin and Xi re-instated for who knows how long, they're drawing up their agendas for the next little while. Argentina is a good fit for both in terms of culture and economy, so what's not to like?

Chile was smart to finally sell that SQM stake to the Chinese though, always playing both sides.

Now I want their 1000 km per hour bullet train. Santiago-Frutillar in one hour? Can't wait :)

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by Space Cat » Thu May 24, 2018 3:08 am

at46 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 9:04 pm
So do you think $70,000/mo would automatically produce world shattering scientific achievements? :)

Russia (and China) has a lot of talent. Look who wins world IT competitions among students. Brain drain? I don't think so.
https://icpc.baylor.edu/worldfinals/teams/2018

Also, you can grow top engineers from recent graduates who get hired by military companies, get security clearance and are not allowed to leave the country for the next 25 years or whatever. It's kinda like a country-size low security prison, but now with the Crimea where they can get their suntan :)
As an IT engineer from Russia: this all simply isn't happening, sorry. Top engineers pack their thing and leave for $200k/mo Google's salaries, the ones who stay don't work in military companies for food combined with inability to leave but search for regular jobs.

Russian U's like to brag about winning world IT competitions. Unfortunately these skills aren't quite transferable to the real-world development process: those grads are infamous in Russian IT companies for inability to produce quality code.

The brain drain is real, even in my circles people who were reluctant to leave 3 years ago are in the middle of obtaining a work visa or have already left. EU, Canada, Australia, and NZ import engineers with almost no questions asked. Combine it with the corrupted underfunded lagging education system and you'll see that there's no tech renaissance on the horizon.

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by 41southchile » Thu May 24, 2018 7:53 am

And up untill a few months ago Amazon were seriously considering Argentina, guess things have changed on the ground a bit since then.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chil ... SKCN1IN2JZ
In the Lakes Region Chile for 6 years. It looks like New Zealand in some ways, and is nearly at the bottom of the world too, but there the similarities end.

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by 41southchile » Thu May 24, 2018 7:56 am

and here is the follow up after the meeting
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chil ... SKCN1IP02A
In the Lakes Region Chile for 6 years. It looks like New Zealand in some ways, and is nearly at the bottom of the world too, but there the similarities end.

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