Chile's Place in Latin America

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by 41southchile » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:48 am

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by 41southchile » Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:29 am

Chile most peaceful place in South America, and is at 28th globally (slipped 5 places)
https://reliefweb.int/report/world/glob ... index-2018
can see the table as a PDF on that website
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:22 am

Well, i would qualify just about anywhere that does not have an an active nuclear weapon pointed at it, or is pointing an active nuclear weapon at some one else, as the most pieceful. That pretty much should exclude the every country in the northern hemisphere from a "safe place" or "piecful" country list.

Stop and think about that for second. If you live in the united states, you are about 30 mins from dying, always. Most of the nuclear weapons in the world not owned by the u.s. are pointed at the united states, and most of the u.s. weapons are pointed at some country in the same hemisphere and upwind of the u.s.

Sooner or later someone is going to make a mistake. Every gun owner knows, a chambered weapon is a dangerious weapon.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by 41southchile » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:18 am

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Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:22 am
Well, i would qualify just about anywhere that does not have an an active nuclear weapon pointed at it, or is pointing an active nuclear weapon at some one else, as the most pieceful. That pretty much should exclude the every country in the northern hemisphere from a "safe place" or "piecful" country list.

Stop and think about that for second. If you live in the united states, you are about 30 mins from dying, always. Most of the nuclear weapons in the world not owned by the u.s. are pointed at the united states, and most of the u.s. weapons are pointed at some country in the same hemisphere and upwind of the u.s.

Sooner or later someone is going to make a mistake. Every gun owner knows, a chambered weapon is a dangerious weapon.
Yeah USA is 121st tucked in there between Armenia and Myanmar. Iceland and New Zealand make the top two.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by 41southchile » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:28 am

I havent looked much further into this apart from the rankings, so I wonder what made Chile slip 5 places this year ?
The Mapuche burning logging trucks? That has been going on for years, so no real change in the last year there, it's a localised thing that affects a few farmers and trucking firms, but a general threat to the overall society is very questionable, no one outside of that area is affected by it or to tell the truth, pays much attention to it , they just see headlines and carry on, unless they have friends or relatives in that part of the country who are involved in farming.
What else could be affecting the peaceful rating of Chile ? The case with Bolivia and their access to the sea ?
Maybe it's just other countries have become more peaceful and overtaken Chile.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:09 pm

Think it is countries overtaking chile, and you could probably say their is some sort of tie for any country in the top 20 or 30, and it is minor diffrences that rank them amongst eachother.

I would however start with ranking any country by existence of a direct existential threat (e.g. nuclear threat, possible invasion, civil war, etc).

Then move on to more ho hum, spefic threats particular to that country. Crime rates, economic instability, etc.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:23 pm

Downloaded the full document. Pure propaganda bullshit.

For instance they rank cuba, a military dictatorships, as less militerized than chile. How hell do you come up with that, by any bench mark?

Then there is a pile of countries, that are ranked as more piecfull than chile, that are only ranked there because they are protectorates of the united states. They dont need a military, because the u.s. provides for their national security needs.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by mem » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:04 pm

admin wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:23 pm
Downloaded the full document. Pure propaganda bullshit.

For instance they rank cuba, a military dictatorships, as less militerized than chile. How hell do you come up with that, by any bench mark?

Then there is a pile of countries, that are ranked as more piecfull than chile, that are only ranked there because they are protectorates of the united states. They dont need a military, because the u.s. provides for their national security needs.
Yes, I also less than impressed with the subjective criteria. There are so many holes I can only see the rankings as a loose rough order magnitude in most cases and really inaccurate for many countries. It is pretty ambitious to try to rank every country on the planet as such so I guess it is expected to have some wild inaccuracies in the methodology

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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:43 pm

I could probably get a more accurate ranking with a dart board.
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:56 pm

Here would be my basic ranking criteria, in order:

1. When was the last time the country went to war. Call it the, 'can anyone remember where we parked the tanks' test.

2. Is the country currently in a conflict?

3. Is the country in imment risk of being attacked, or attacking someone else?

4. Is the country in close proximity to a conflict that could spill over in to its territory?

5. Is the country, due proximity or alliance, in danger of being a target of nuclear attack or attacking someone else? Does the country own at least one nuclear weapon?

6. How robust is the economy and political stability of the country?

7. How strategic is the country? Would anyone want to invade it?
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Re: Chile's Place in Latin America

Post by admin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:02 pm

Then there is a difficult one regarding resonable amount of military sufficient to maintain piece. Call it preventive military, that at the same time does not destabilize the country by its very existence in terms of draining resources or threating the civil authority, etc.
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