LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by john » Sun May 22, 2016 6:24 pm

papageno wrote:
FrankPintor wrote:Look at the photos in that article. Every row in the A350 has a window! Omigod!! Already in 2016!!!

Cue the 787 cheerleaders now :D
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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by FrankPintor » Sun May 22, 2016 11:36 pm

What I don't understand is Boeing's rage against the customer (people like me who fly economy class, not the airlines). It started with the 757/767 where you couldn't put standard size carry on into the overhead lockers. Then there was the 777, which could accommodate the carry-on, but otherwise was like being transported in a warehouse, the noise in one of those things is simply amazing. And now the 787 with the window lottery. Like really, who's the cretinous fool who came up with the windowless row idea? Wtf... and an idea like that made it all the way into production. What kind of a company is that?

In a Bus, pretty much no matter what the configuration, you walk up, stash your carry-on, sit down and you're done and dusted. Sounds simple, no? Why is that so difficult for Boeing?
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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by HybridAmbassador » Mon May 23, 2016 3:06 pm

Next time going back over the pacific. Wanting to try out the mammoth double Decker A380 along many passengers.
Heard voluminous overhead compartment plus generous seating even in my turf, the economy class!

https://youtu.be/NVItPJAu_Fk?t=4
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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by bazzasoft » Tue May 24, 2016 8:22 am

A380 with 18½" seats - which company is flying this lovely plane over the Pacific and when will it be flying London to Santiago ?
I suspect passenger levels mean it will not fly LHR-SCL but we can dream !!
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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

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FrankPintor wrote:What I don't understand is Boeing's rage against the customer (people like me who fly economy class, not the airlines). It started with the 757/767 where you couldn't put standard size carry on into the overhead lockers. Then there was the 777, which could accommodate the carry-on, but otherwise was like being transported in a warehouse, the noise in one of those things is simply amazing. And now the 787 with the window lottery. Like really, who's the cretinous fool who came up with the windowless row idea? Wtf... and an idea like that made it all the way into production. What kind of a company is that?
I don't think this is the problem with Boeing. They only make the airframe and integrate the electronic control. The buyers (in our case, the airlines) select the engines, and seating configuration (both are provided by third parties). So, if you fly on an aircraft owned by LAN that has narrow seats and little leg room, it is because LAN selected it.

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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

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T_ROBO wrote:
FrankPintor wrote:What I don't understand is Boeing's rage against the customer (people like me who fly economy class, not the airlines). It started with the 757/767 where you couldn't put standard size carry on into the overhead lockers. Then there was the 777, which could accommodate the carry-on, but otherwise was like being transported in a warehouse, the noise in one of those things is simply amazing. And now the 787 with the window lottery. Like really, who's the cretinous fool who came up with the windowless row idea? Wtf... and an idea like that made it all the way into production. What kind of a company is that?
I don't think this is the problem with Boeing. They only make the airframe and integrate the electronic control. The buyers (in our case, the airlines) select the engines, and seating configuration (both are provided by third parties). So, if you fly on an aircraft owned by LAN that has narrow seats and little leg room, it is because LAN selected it.

TP
Yep, Latam orders it that way cause they pay little attention to passengers comfort and possibly due to less competition . Besides, cramming more bodies into their 787's bigger the profit and sooner!
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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by FrankPintor » Tue May 24, 2016 11:21 pm

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T_ROBO wrote:
FrankPintor wrote:What I don't understand is Boeing's rage against the customer (people like me who fly economy class, not the airlines). It started with the 757/767 where you couldn't put standard size carry on into the overhead lockers. Then there was the 777, which could accommodate the carry-on, but otherwise was like being transported in a warehouse, the noise in one of those things is simply amazing. And now the 787 with the window lottery. Like really, who's the cretinous fool who came up with the windowless row idea? Wtf... and an idea like that made it all the way into production. What kind of a company is that?
I don't think this is the problem with Boeing. They only make the airframe and integrate the electronic control. The buyers (in our case, the airlines) select the engines, and seating configuration (both are provided by third parties). So, if you fly on an aircraft owned by LAN that has narrow seats and little leg room, it is because LAN selected it.

TP
Yep, Latam orders it that way cause they pay little attention to passengers comfort and possibly due to less competition . Besides, cramming more bodies into their 787's bigger the profit and sooner!
I understand what you're saying TP, but I believed that the airlines choose from a range of options offered by the airplane manufacturer. Cheap airlines will choose uncomfortable cabins, that goes without saying. The original 757/767 overhead lockers had the problem I'm talking about, then after a very long time Boeing offered to refit the cabins with a 777-look style which offered more space to store baggage.

And certainly no airline is going to choose to leave out windows :-) that's purely Boeing's responsibility.
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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by Dosedmonkey » Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:53 am

T_ROBO wrote:
FrankPintor wrote:What I don't understand is Boeing's rage against the customer (people like me who fly economy class, not the airlines). It started with the 757/767 where you couldn't put standard size carry on into the overhead lockers. Then there was the 777, which could accommodate the carry-on, but otherwise was like being transported in a warehouse, the noise in one of those things is simply amazing. And now the 787 with the window lottery. Like really, who's the cretinous fool who came up with the windowless row idea? Wtf... and an idea like that made it all the way into production. What kind of a company is that?
I don't think this is the problem with Boeing. They only make the airframe and integrate the electronic control. The buyers (in our case, the airlines) select the engines, and seating configuration (both are provided by third parties). So, if you fly on an aircraft owned by LAN that has narrow seats and little leg room, it is because LAN selected it.

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Boeing to provide the options, and have to prove the aircraft air worthy before signing it over to the client. It isn't as simple as just building an air frame.

There is only two propulsion options for 787. GEnx-1B and Rolls-Royce Trent 1000

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeroma ... 2012_q3/2/

It is similar, but only similar, to in my industry, you would approach a ship yard with your specification, their architects and designers would give you options, but in most things you use the shipyards usual selection of suppliers it has contacts and supply chain with. With airlines the options seem much more limited, because everything has to be tested to a higher standard of safety, less space to put units in and things like stability/balance of components across the airplane will effect it greater. Only once the completed craft has been tested and certified will the client receive/sign over the craft.

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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by ryanar » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:02 pm

My 2c, covering the last 6 months...

I'm 195cm, 105kg

Qantas A380 - LAX to Melbourne : Comfortable enough seats in economy with reasonable legroom. Managed to get a couple of hours sleep, which is unusual for me.

Copa 737 : LAX to Santiago (and return) : Surprisingly comfortable. Good leg room!

Qantas 747 : Sydney to Santiago : Reasonably comfortable, but definitely less so than the A380. Maybe only an hours sleep.

LAN 787 : Sydney - Auckland - Santiago (and return) : Uncomfortable. Knees impacting the seat in front whilst upright and it only gets worse when one/both of us reclined. No sleep whatsoever.

All Economy class of course!

So, unless you are hobbit-sized, you're in for an uncomfortable trip on the LAN Awakeliner... Agree with T_ROBO too, that it's LAN who set the final seating configuration - your average short-arse Chilean doesn't need that much room, so they set the seats closer together, hence eventually, you'll eventually have seats spaced between the windows.

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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by papageno » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:35 pm

Tell us more about your experience on COPA. I've never tried them, simply because the SeatGuru chart led me to believe it'd be much too cramped, unless one lucked out and got an exit row seat.

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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by ryanar » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:58 pm

We flew with COPA as part of a (relatively) cheap-but-long way of getting to Chile from Australia. LAX-SCL and return. Had an 8(?) hour stopover in Panama on the way down, which suited us fine as we took the opportunity to escape the airport for an adventure around the city.

The COPA experience was mostly fine, although it must be kept in mind that we had low expectations. The plane wasn't new, but was new enough. Because of my size, I'll never consider seating in economy to be spacious, but COPA's was reasonable - I'd expected to be squeezed. The food was not memorable, either in a positive or negative sense. They ran pretty much to schedule. Arrival time into Santiago was 3AM or some other ungodly hour.

The negative aspect that comes to mind is the fairly slack cabin crew.

I'd fly with them again.

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Re: LAN Will Have First Dreamliner Flights Into South America Starting July 2015

Post by papageno » Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:22 pm

Interesting. At times, Copa is all United offers as a codeshare miles flight on some routes, so it could be an alternative to LAN.

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