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Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:01 pm
by MikieO
GJJIM wrote:
john wrote:
What Chile needs is a Bracero Program. There are hundreds of thousands of unemployed US construction workers that would welcome the opportunity to have fun in the sun on subsistence wages.

Ah no. They all returned to Mexico when the housing bubble burst about four years ago. The remaining 'Mericun workers are mostly lazy, stoned/drunk, and obese. You do not want them in Chile.
Ahh, been on a jobsite lately? Oregon is far enough from the Mex border as to escape being labeled a "border state" yet the hardest working guys I see are the Mexicans. Second generation, no way, but the immigrants actually do show up and do a creditable job after a little training.
This has little to do with Chile save for the fact that we are discussing how best to get good work done there. So it appears the old saw "they do the jobs white people won't do" could be expanded.

That comment re the lazy, stoned, drunk obese Murricans unfortunately holds true in Oregon at least.

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:25 pm
by GJJIM
john wrote:
GJJIM wrote:
john wrote:What Chile needs is a Bracero Program. There are hundreds of thousands of unemployed US construction workers that would welcome the opportunity to have fun in the sun on subsistence wages. :lol:

Ah no. They all returned to Mexico when the housing bubble burst about four years ago. The remaining 'Mericun workers are mostly lazy, stoned/drunk, and obese. You do not want them in Chile. :alien:
You have your facts wrong. The number of unemployed US construction workers, in Dec. 2012, was 1.1 million (which represented 13.5% of the total construction workforce). Sixty-five percent of all construction workers are native born Americans. So, if you apply that same 65% ratio (close enough for government work :wink: ) to the 1.1 million who are currently unemployed, there are 710K unemployed native born American construction workers. Your move! :)
Statistics are fine, but most of the Mexicans workers were undocumented aka "illegals", and far outnumbered the native workers. They worked hard and mostly lived a cash lifestyle in rented housing. Local economic activity took a big hit when they left town, but to the paper-pushers they never existed. Not to worry though, we don't need construction workers or those dirty, carbon-intensive jobs anymore. Colorado legalized pot and the new plan is to build a vibrant economy based on taxes collected from people getting high. Any money left over will go to education -- "for the children". :alien:

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:45 pm
by HybridAmbassador
GJJIM wrote:
john wrote:
GJJIM wrote:
john wrote:What Chile needs is a Bracero Program. There are hundreds of thousands of unemployed US construction workers that would welcome the opportunity to have fun in the sun on subsistence wages. :lol:

Ah no. They all returned to Mexico when the housing bubble burst about four years ago. The remaining 'Mericun workers are mostly lazy, stoned/drunk, and obese. You do not want them in Chile. :alien:
You have your facts wrong. The number of unemployed US construction workers, in Dec. 2012, was 1.1 million (which represented 13.5% of the total construction workforce). Sixty-five percent of all construction workers are native born Americans. So, if you apply that same 65% ratio (close enough for government work :wink: ) to the 1.1 million who are currently unemployed, there are 710K unemployed native born American construction workers. Your move! :)
Statistics are fine, but most of the Mexicans workers were undocumented aka "illegals", and far outnumbered the native workers. They worked hard and mostly lived a cash lifestyle in rented housing. Local economic activity took a big hit when they left town, but to the paper-pushers they never existed. Not to worry though, we don't need construction workers or those dirty, carbon-intensive jobs anymore. Colorado legalized pot and the new plan is to build a vibrant economy based on taxes collected from people getting high. Any money left over will go to education -- "for the children". :alien:
Colorado legalized Pot Smoking? Hmmm, then that's why Oregon just inacted the Smoking Pot is good! Will generate much much Taxes. They had to get it somewhere, Oregon has no Sales tax. Such as cases, lots of californian buys their expensive Automobiles and register them in Oregon due to no "Tax" ! I have seen them coming back to CA with the Oregon car plates and then rushing in to CA department of Motor Vehicle offices to re-register them into CA sytem, it is almost seeing them washing the titles! What a loop-hole.!

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:03 pm
by MikieO
Well, once the Feds bring in a VAT (IVA) it will level the playing field somewhat. :mrgreen:

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:36 pm
by HybridAmbassador
MikieO wrote:Well, once the Feds bring in a VAT (IVA) it will level the playing field somewhat. :mrgreen:
Oh Hi, MikieO -San, long time no see ! Are you soon be ready to build me a House somewhere in vecinity of Santiago soon?
Or you are still not feelin' like getting to work anytime soon? Yes, I was wondering why in the hell, Uncle Sam won't introduce the Value added Tax in the states too.? The VAT is collected in all or most advanced state countries of the World, isn't it? America needs the VAT on top of much destested Sales Tax. I have figured that the American people just wants to make the big money but they seem not wanting to part a little of those easy made money! help the much needed
Fiscal Economy or the Cliff we are facing right now. America the Land of the Free, my money and your Money are all mine!

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:54 pm
by nwdiver
HybridAmbassador wrote:
MikieO wrote:Well, once the Feds bring in a VAT (IVA) it will level the playing field somewhat. :mrgreen:
Oh Hi, MikieO -San, long time no see ! Are you soon be ready to build me a House somewhere in vecinity of Santiago soon?
Or you are still not feelin' like getting to work anytime soon? Yes, I was wondering why in the hell, Uncle Sam won't introduce the Value added Tax in the states too.? The VAT is collected in all or most advanced state countries of the World, isn't it? America needs the VAT on top of much destested Sales Tax. I have figured that the American people just wants to make the big money but they seem not wanting to part a little of those easy made money! help the much needed
Fiscal Economy or the Cliff we are facing right now. America the Land of the Free, my money and your Money are all mine!


A national tax like Europe’s VAT, Chile’s IVA or Canada’s GST would be harder to pass in the US than passing a law for free universal healthcare. They have hated taxes since the Boston tea party ;)

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:04 pm
by ABIII
know it's not a maestro
but
hundred dollar lawn mowing job anyone?

the price went up by a factor of three in same number of years here!
damn!

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:10 pm
by john
GJJIM wrote:
john wrote:
GJJIM wrote:
john wrote:What Chile needs is a Bracero Program. There are hundreds of thousands of unemployed US construction workers that would welcome the opportunity to have fun in the sun on subsistence wages. :lol:

Ah no. They all returned to Mexico when the housing bubble burst about four years ago. The remaining 'Mericun workers are mostly lazy, stoned/drunk, and obese. You do not want them in Chile. :alien:
You have your facts wrong. The number of unemployed US construction workers, in Dec. 2012, was 1.1 million (which represented 13.5% of the total construction workforce). Sixty-five percent of all construction workers are native born Americans. So, if you apply that same 65% ratio (close enough for government work :wink: ) to the 1.1 million who are currently unemployed, there are 710K unemployed native born American construction workers. Your move! :)
Statistics are fine, but most of the Mexicans workers were undocumented aka "illegals", and far outnumbered the native workers. They worked hard and mostly lived a cash lifestyle in rented housing. Local economic activity took a big hit when they left town, but to the paper-pushers they never existed. Not to worry though, we don't need construction workers or those dirty, carbon-intensive jobs anymore. Colorado legalized pot and the new plan is to build a vibrant economy based on taxes collected from people getting high. Any money left over will go to education -- "for the children". :alien:
Did you read my post? I referred to US construction workers, not Mexican immigrants (legal or undocumented). My sarcasm may have been too subtle for you. :P

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:18 pm
by HybridAmbassador
john wrote:
GJJIM wrote:
john wrote:
GJJIM wrote:
john wrote:What Chile needs is a Bracero Program. There are hundreds of thousands of unemployed US construction workers that would welcome the opportunity to have fun in the sun on subsistence wages. :lol:

Ah no. They all returned to Mexico when the housing bubble burst about four years ago. The remaining 'Mericun workers are mostly lazy, stoned/drunk, and obese. You do not want them in Chile. :alien:
You have your facts wrong. The number of unemployed US construction workers, in Dec. 2012, was 1.1 million (which represented 13.5% of the total construction workforce). Sixty-five percent of all construction workers are native born Americans. So, if you apply that same 65% ratio (close enough for government work :wink: ) to the 1.1 million who are currently unemployed, there are 710K unemployed native born American construction workers. Your move! :)
Statistics are fine, but most of the Mexicans workers were undocumented aka "illegals", and far outnumbered the native workers. They worked hard and mostly lived a cash lifestyle in rented housing. Local economic activity took a big hit when they left town, but to the paper-pushers they never existed. Not to worry though, we don't need construction workers or those dirty, carbon-intensive jobs anymore. Colorado legalized pot and the new plan is to build a vibrant economy based on taxes collected from people getting high. Any money left over will go to education -- "for the children". :alien:
Did you read my post? I referred to US construction workers, not Mexican immigrants (legal or undocumented). My sarcasm may have been too subtle for you. :P
john-san, your remarks are too fine and delicate in expressing its meaning...Shame on yourself! He,he,he,he....

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:27 pm
by GJJIM
john wrote:
Did you read my post? I referred to US construction workers, not Mexican immigrants (legal or undocumented). My sarcasm may have been too subtle for you. :P
Sorry I missed your sarcasm. You missed my point that the majority of housing construction workers (other than union job sites) came from Mexico, and many of them left when the work ended. It sounds like Chile could use more experienced, dilligent Mexican workers in the construction trades -- too bad they speak a different language.

Re: Bastard maestros

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:07 pm
by john
GJJIM wrote:
john wrote:
Did you read my post? I referred to US construction workers, not Mexican immigrants (legal or undocumented). My sarcasm may have been too subtle for you. :P
Sorry I missed your sarcasm. You missed my point that the majority of housing construction workers (other than union job sites) came from Mexico, and many of them left when the work ended. It sounds like Chile could use more experienced, dilligent Mexican workers in the construction trades -- too bad they speak a different language.
How can that be if only 14% (801K out of 11.4 million) of US construction workers are members of a Union? :?