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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by mem » Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:57 am

I know the penalties are stiff getting caught schlepping around with an unlicensed firearm here. I can only imagine what the penalties are for not just an unlicensed weapon but a type of weapon that isnt even available or allowed in the country to be owned by a resident let alone used in the commission of a crime. So basically an illegal m16 is in the same boat as a missile/grenade launcher

Regardless of all that happened' I'd think him getting busted with an unlicensed m16 would be all she wrote for him. One would think it wasnt worth the risk just to use such a weapon when there are other about as effective options.

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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by admin » Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:46 am

The technical details of the weapons are not really all that important. one guy with an old hunting rifle can pin down an army.

what is important is the organization, the standardization.

They are developing an effective fighting force, and it is effective. They got millions of dollars in government resources and personnel pinned down trying to catch a handful of hit and run insurgents in the rural areas of 8th and 9th region burning farms and forestry equipment.

A classic military rule of thumb is that you need 2 to 3x the force of the enemy to go on the offensive in conventional war fare.

You need 10x the force to effectively control an insurgency.

This is not the hippy college kids throwing rocks at police in Temuco on a friday afternoon, where the spectators outnumbered the protesters.
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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:37 pm

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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:16 pm

Here the dead "Mapuche", Pablo Marchant, who actually hailed from Renca, in his formative years at Santiago's Instituto Nacional, then a notorious hotbed of left-wing indoctrination. Like the Jesuits, the Commies believe in "catching them young".
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Much is being made of his lack of Mapuche credentials, however a great majority of Chileans do have some Mapuche genes, although this used to be seen as a stigma never to be mentioned.

This makes a nonsense of those demands for separate, preferential treatment for indigenous peoples in the AC and elsewhere, as most Chileans have some Mapuche ancestry. But ethnicity makes for a handy bargaining tool for extracting concessions from the guilt-ridden establishment; the "victimization" narrative perfected by the Left that has proved to be effective in so many situations.

Successive Chilean governments are ultimately responsible for this young guy's death by their indolence and indifference, which has allowed unscrupulous elements to take advantage of the situation to brainwash a generation of kids. As they used to say, the toothpaste's out of the tube now and can't be put back.
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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by admin » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:01 am

so, as boric and Jadue were debating last night, Cuba was falling apart for lack of food, medicine, vaccines (7,000 cases a day).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-am ... 799852.amp

cuba has only been able to hang in their in recent years because of tourism and Venezuela oil. Venezuela was exporting oil in exchange for "help" from cuba (doctors, security forces), that cuba was then reselling on the international market to get hard currency. that is over. the pandemic killed tourism, and maduro killed oil.

Venezuela oil industry has effectively reached zero production. they have no domestic gas. what little they are producing, is due to foriegn firms still working there. There were reports that the foriegn firms were being paid in scrap metal. scrap metal cannibalized from other parts of their oil infrastructure (e.g. pipelines, drills, tanks, etc).

but here was their bullshit reactions to it,

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... arias.html

The communist party is at the same time officially supporting the cuban governments crackdown on protesters.
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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by tiagoabner » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:18 am

I also "liked" Jadue's roundabout way to say he supports decriminalizing coke (?), as well as him sounding really antivax and pushing for a plebiscite to give land to Bolivia (???).

The good thing is he is so inept that he's able to undermine his own campaign. Maybe the communist party is playing 4D chess and they're showing Jadue as a really bad candidate in order to get more support for Boric.
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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by admin » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:29 am

then, camilla lieing and claiming the communist party has the support of other parties. The parties came out and called her out.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... jadue.html
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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by tiagoabner » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:42 am

tiagoabner wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:18 am
I also "liked" Jadue's roundabout way to say he supports decriminalizing coke (?), as well as him sounding really antivax and pushing for a plebiscite to give land to Bolivia (???).

The good thing is he is so inept that he's able to undermine his own campaign. Maybe the communist party is playing 4D chess and they're showing Jadue as a really bad candidate in order to get more support for Boric.
Here is Jadue's clarification about his note about legalizing cocaine: https://www.t13.cl/noticia/elecciones-2 ... 12-07-2021

He's implying (as Chilean politicians often do, as opposed to being clear and direct) that cocaine would be legalized as part of a larger drug legalization reform. That's as opposed to what may have been understood while watching the debate yesterday, where it sounded that Colombian druglords had him held by the balls.
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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by admin » Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:10 pm

so, the international human rights institution in Chile blindly embraced the extreme left narrative without question. Now it is getting bitten by them.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... -indh.html

The communist are never your friend idiots. They don't want objective investigations. You never, ever hear the INHD make any pronouncements about what the communist party does or what mapuche are doing, even when it violates international law.

objectivity, use it or loose it.

where is Bachelet 🤔?
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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by Britkid » Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:28 pm

admin wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:01 am
so, as boric and Jadue were debating last night, Cuba was falling apart .....

but here was their bullshit reactions to it,

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... arias.html
Re "their bullshit" - it is a bit unfair to group the two of them together on this. There was a big difference between their responses. Even if you didn´t watch the debate, it is clear in the article you posted.

There is daylight between these two candidates.

It´s only Jadue talking about regulating the media or saying that the right to a home stands above the right of property. Boric is not a communist and hasn´t said these things.

It´s Jadue that is talking about 567,000 minimum wage, Boric has said he will increase the minimum wage but as far as I know no specific number.

Even last night we saw several clear differences on drugs, Cuba and the Bolivian land claim.

The argument (from the point of view of anyone right wing, centre, or who just doesn´t like either Boric or Jadue) that it might be more strategic to let Jadue win the primary since he will then be an unelectable and a centre or right candidate can then with the President is extremely risky at best.

Remember....Jadue is more competent and less crazy than Trump, Bolsanaro, and many others that were democratically elected.

Remember...many Chileans earn 300,000 or 400,000. 400k is about the median I think, and certainly 499k or less covers a large majority of people here. Don´t you think people here will be tempted to vote for 567k? Wouldn´t you be tempted if you earned 330k?

Also Jadue is the ultimate anti-establishment f*** you. If Jadue wins the primary it will likely then become a choice of Jadue or an establishment candidate from the ex-concertation or Chile Vamos. A choice between a new start or more of the same. Do you really think with everything around the current low appeal of politicians, and what happened around the protests and constitution, that there are that many Chileans going to be queing up to vote for the main parties.

Its not at all clear that Jadue loses to Lavin or a centre left candidate, the polls have it fairly close.

If Jadue gets through the primaries Chile overnight becomes a little more divided country and the stakes are raised, its not good for the country.

There are three chances to defeat Jadue - primary, first round in November, and likely second round in December. It´s not at all clear at the moment which is the best chance to stop him. The evidence just isn´t out there.

I am planning to vote for Boric in the primary on Sunday and I hope others consider doing the same.

If we end up with a literal Communist President at the end of the year it might be because not enough people voted this Sunday.

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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by tiagoabner » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:09 am

This is a very interesting read: https://www.latercera.com/la-tercera-sa ... 2AKEDIBAQ/

There are currently only 5 people who were arrested during the 2019 protests who are still in prison:
- One who was arrested for multiple incendiary attacks to churches.
- One who has burned a metro station.
- One who was arrested for sacking a supermarket, but who was arrested with about one pound of drugs.
- One who was arrested for sacking a business during the protests. Him and his lawyer were smuggling cell phones into the prison, and he's a convicted felon.
- One who burned a cobbler shop during the protests.

I wonder about which one of these five the left is trying to defend when they push their political prisoners agenda.
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Re: Chilean Politics

Post by 41southchile » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:22 am

tiagoabner wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:09 am
This is a very interesting read: https://www.latercera.com/la-tercera-sa ... 2AKEDIBAQ/

There are currently only 5 people who were arrested during the 2019 protests who are still in prison:
- One who was arrested for multiple incendiary attacks to churches.
- One who has burned a metro station.
- One who was arrested for sacking a supermarket, but who was arrested with about one pound of drugs.
- One who was arrested for sacking a business during the protests. Him and his lawyer were smuggling cell phones into the prison, and he's a convicted felon.
- One who burned a cobbler shop during the protests.

I wonder about which one of these five the left is trying to defend when they push their political prisoners agenda.
Lol thanks for that.
Yeah it’s all bs.
It’s all a scripted narrative.
Makes me sick what these pieces of opportunistic scum are doing to the country.
Guess that’s their style.
I’ve Switched off to most of it now
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