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Election Constitution 2021

Post by Britkid » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:51 pm

NOTE FROM ADMIN:

This thread was getting a bit long in the tooth.

New dedicated thread on the process of writing the new constitution can be found at the following link:

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So there will be elections on 10th and 11th April 2021 (edit: now May 15-16) to decide:
--Constituyentes
--Gobernadores/as
--Alcaldes/as
--Consejales/as

Thought it might be good to start looking into the candidates now if I´m going to vote.

Starting with the constitutional part only for today:

Here is some info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Chil ... n_election
You can use this page to find out which district you are in and how many candidates will be elected for your district

Now for my district it says 5 people. I can´t find out if that means I get 5 votes, or just vote for 1 person? Does anyone know?

You can find the list of people in your district here: https://www.t13.cl/noticia/elecciones-2 ... iones-2021

https://elecciones2021.servel.cl/ also has that info and is also a good resource.

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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by admin » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:30 am

The big question is the return of vaccinated older people, and will the young vote turn out at all,

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... nitas.html

FYI, the "unidad constituyyente" is just repackaged FA and tiny extreme left wing bullshit parties and canidates. Their brand was so damaged by the 18-0 bullshit, they had to change names, again, or no one would vote for them. It is a classic shell game, to hide unpopular and unelectable politicians, by swapping the shells around so fast no one can keep tract of what is under each party name and what they stand for.

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... aria.shtml
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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by Britkid » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:28 pm

So for my district there are 30-40 candidates. To help me decide who to vote for I searched for "candidate name constituyente" in twitter, facebook, youtube, google and read what they have posted about their opinions about politics and ideas for the constitucion if they have any, and kept open a word doc on another screen and quickly made notes. I think it took at least more than 2 hours.

Unless I'd being very dumb and there is a much better (faster) way to do this, I can't see many other people bothering to get properly informed about a huge list of candidates before voting,

In theory you can go here https://elecciones2021.servel.cl/progra ... ituyentes/ and find an official list of the candidates and for each one click on "descargar archivo aqui" to get info about each candidate, or at least their party, but in practice what you get (at least for the sample of 10 candidates for my district) is very hit and miss and tends to be long winded and boring and dull pages and pages of plain text with no images. So that would take even longer, as well as bore you to tears.

So how will people vote?

One way is to just vote along party lines. Another might be to just vote for anyone who doesn't represent a political party at all.

Another might be to just vote for whoever in your circle of friends/family/neighbours/local community is going for it.

Another might be to not vote at all.

A lot of the independent candidates in my district are coming up with typical lefty opinions about rights to water, housing, education, health etc, with some eco stuff. Meaning that the lefty candidates are the majority in my district.

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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by admin » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:55 am

yea, I really have not even thought about it. was waiting until closer to the election to try and sift through the names for the constitution rewrite.

We got one guy running for mayor that our circle of friends and family like. In fact one of my friends had a meeting with him. He got a big thumbs up from her.

He so far has got our vote mostly for one issue, he is pushing to build a dyalis center in frutillar. Which in this town, with extended friends and family of patients, is probably good for a few thousand votes alone.

He was also pushing to open an office for supporting small business. Something I had been thinking the town needed for a long time.

but, still kicking the tires on him.
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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by admin » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:26 am

For the constitution, I want to see people with some sort of qualifications. degrees in law, history, political science, or just science in general, etc.

No comi kids in Che shirts, no country bumpkins, and no right wing Nazi nut jobs.

funny, the other day I seen two videos side by side of women canidates. I was not even really listening to what they were saying, so I muted the audio. A political annalise and physiatrist in the States that specialized in body language recommend doing that to see how serious a canidate was, before turning on the audio. I have done it now for years.

but, in this case what caught my attention was what was on their bookshelf behind them. One had like 4 or 5 books, half of them looked like romance novels or like they had never been opened and read. They all looked new, with perfect covers. They looked stages, all color coronated, next to a flower in a vase of the same shade, and some other nicknacks that were also the same colors.

The other had a fully stacked book shelf, of like a 100+ books, with notes and dog ears, books laying horizontally on top of of other books. It was messy, but not too messy. The shelf looked like it was used a lot, but an orderly used. It looked like my book shelf.

That is the canidate I want to vote for. What the subjects are on the shelf is almost irrelevant to me. It could have been a collection of commentaries on the communist manifesto for all I know; but, someone was actually doing some thinking.
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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by mem » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:47 am

I for one am biased towards country bumpkins :D

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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by Britkid » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:13 pm

Looked about gobernadores today.

As I look through the website and social media of candidates, I am starting to realize that most of the left in Chile is quite far left, and most of the right is quite far right.

After looking at about 50 candidates, I didn't see one saying they are going to be tough on crime and supportive of the police but also at the same time offering to tax the wealthy to pay for improved social welfare. You've got to chose one or the other most of the time.

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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by admin » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:34 pm

my goal it to vote somthing like this, regardless of party, etc

i want my local canidates to be more left. Develope the town and region. Even from a cold ass right wing business / self interest perspective, crime and poverty are bad. I don't want poor pissed off people living around me. so make them if not rich, at least not poor. I think the poor people would be o.k. with that, for the most part.

This is where i live and invest most of my networth. I love the lakes region. fix the dam problems. send me the bill if you need to.

I am for regional decentralization of the country. too much santiago middle management bull shit.

on a national level, i want more center right congress, just to off-set the far left assholes and keep realistic economics to pay for it all.

for the constitution, i want people that are deep thinkers and appreciate the gravity of what they are doing.

now, i need to try and find some canidates that meet those goals, as closely as possible.
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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by admin » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:39 am

Here is a case on point,

The Boric as president, not a chance in frigen hell,

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Economia/ ... Boric.html

He wants to put workers on the board of directors of companies so they have a say in how companies are run.

Like one of the most common critism of the commi kids in congress is they went straight from the University to congress and never held a job of any sort.

With that bullshit, he just confirmed that lack of grip on the real world.
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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by scandinavian » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:46 pm

Britkid wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:28 pm

A lot of the independent candidates in my district are coming up with typical lefty opinions about rights to water, housing, education, health etc, with some eco stuff. Meaning that the lefty candidates are the majority in my district.
I had a look at the list in my district (8) and that is certainly the same situation as in yours. 10 lists, where 9 of them are center left, left and extreme left. 1 list that is centreright.
I can't really figure out what the implications will be, but could it end up with the left (especially the far left), spreading the votes over way too many candidates? On the right, I saw 1 guy from UDI and 1 woman from RN. That is basically it (i haven't checked all the independents, but based on the list they are on, then I would be very surprised to the seem on the right). My guess would be that the rightleaning voters thus will vote much more concentrated on a few strong candidates.

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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by gringalais » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:11 pm

Reminder that the list of poll workers have been published. You can see if you are one of the unlucky ones here: https://consulta.servel.cl/ .

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Re: Elections April 2021

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:25 pm

And remember to check again this Saturday as you may have been chosen as an alternate to ones who are excused from the first list this past Saturday.
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