Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

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Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by vamoschile » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:50 pm

Warning this post was written by a confused person just put back into cuarentena. Because of cuarentena stress bad vocabulary, bad grammar, and ramblings are guaranteed. The author reserves the right to change their opinion after being let out of cuarentena for a third time.

Chile has been known to attract some interesting people over the last 30 years. A lot of libertarian types love to think Chile is free to a level that other western countries are not. Have the events over the past year and a half changed their thoughts? I would assume yes considering the fact that a new constitution is being written and it's almost a guarantee it's going to expand the government's size and influence way beyond what the current scope is. I mean there are discussions of adding college tuition should be free and a right?? The coronavirus lockdowns in Chile have been authoritarian to say the least. The length of lockdown and curfews here make Wuhan China look like Disneyland. I am not against lockdowns but the way the lockdowns have been implemented in Chile are absurd. How can a country go into lockdown where only essential businesses can operate and for some reason, the toll roads keep requiring in-person tolls????? How is an in-person toll essential? How can we quantify the spread of covid from the toll booths? Why are fast food deliveries still open if we are in a lockdown? If the situation is so bad that we must lock down the entire population I think fast food delivery should be one of the first things to close. I listened to Arco Dorados(McDonalds) investor conference call today and found it interesting to hear that they are basically loving the pandemic because its wiping out their competitors and they are currently opening 50 plus locations at the same time. That seems a little strange. Meanwhile, in the socialist hell hole of the great USA there are essentially no lockdowns compared to what we in Chile have been through. In the USA they are still arguing over masks and if they should be mandatory. Chile on the other hand has made it a punishable offense to not have a mask in public. Also whose idea was it to put some communas in Santiago into cuarentena and others not. That just seems absurd. Its all or nothing otherwise whats the point? I know Admin likes to say the USA is in a much worse place then the numbers report. I doubt that, no offense admin but USA has more reporters and independent investigators then Chile has in population. Each one of those investigators have a biased ax to grind and I would imagine we would know more about false numbers then we do. Looking at the numbers the USA death and hospitalization rates are not that far off from Chile and that's with the USA having a lot more obese, chronically ill, and overly stressed population. In fact, I have been somewhat impressed with the USA numbers considering the overall health of the population. I mean the USA is king at being unhealthy. Let's not forget that the registro civil is a joke during the pandemic. In my local area they only allow 10 carnet renewals a day. That means if you want to renew your carnet you have to be up and in line by 5 am to be given a number at 9 to then be served at 12. And in all the time waiting in line we are jammed into a hallway with almost everyone elbow to elbow where the virus can spread without a sweat. The AFP payments have literally been the biggest transfer of wealth from the poor to rich I have seen. How can you give people access to 20% of their retirement for essentials and just let them loose it. It has caused an utter shortage of almost everything in Chile. I personally know people, multiple people who lost their jobs during the pandemic. What did they do with the AFP not save for food or essentials that's for sure. No they went and bought a car, smart watch, and clothes. Bueno, enough ramblings for now. Back to my oringal point I don't think Chile is the freedom loving country that lots of expats expect. In fact its probably the opposite. Most people in Chile don't really care about freedom from my observation. I haven't seen anyone really complain about cuarenta lockdowns nor the lockdowns during the protests. We haven't seen any national movements complaining and trying to prevent lockdowns but if Chile raises the metro price by 30 pesos the country organizes and starts burning stuff to the ground. Also why did the country burn for a 30 peso adjustment to the train but earlier this month the tolls went up 100 pesos and I haven't smelt a singe fire? WTH? I have to go back to work on the house but if I have time maybe I will ramble a little more later on.

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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by admin » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:04 pm

libertarians do not believe in the free uses of spaces or paragraph breaks.

I guess you have to pay extra for those. :lol:
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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:57 pm

Dude, chug a bottle of aguardiente and all will be numb.
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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by admin » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:14 pm

I don't know where "chile is a libertarian paradise" bullshit exactly began, but the biggest promotor is in prison for atempted murder. The rest of the libertarian pushers have probably left the country because they either had a warrent for their arrest or one was coming down the pipe.

The rest of the "libertarian" marks, probably got liberated from their wallet and bank accounts in the process.
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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by RuneTheChookcha » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:17 pm

vamoschile wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:50 pm
Back to my oringal point I don't think Chile is the freedom loving country that lots of expats expect.
Where is there a "freedom loving country" at these interesting times, would you please enlighten me. Germany? Sweden? Belarus? Uganda? Where is it?
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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by vamoschile » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:18 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:57 pm
Dude, chug a bottle of aguardiente and all will be numb.
I wish I could I don't drink.

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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by admin » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:21 pm

actually, the "Chilean Libertarian" philosophy was summed up best by my nieghbor's father,

"You can do anything you want in Chile, until someone shoots you".

oddly, she is a hard core Communist. :lol:
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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by vamoschile » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:26 pm

RuneTheChookcha wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:17 pm
vamoschile wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:50 pm
Back to my oringal point I don't think Chile is the freedom loving country that lots of expats expect.
Where is there a "freedom loving country" at these interesting times, would you please enlighten me. Germany? Sweden? Belarus? Uganda? Where is it?
Good question I have no idea. I just find it funny that when Santiago raised the metro price by 30 pesos the country was brought to its knees. When the government decides to put us in lockdown with curfew for 1 year plus the highway decides to raise the peaje by 100 pesos and nobody cares. I guess were all busy spending AFP money...

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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by vamoschile » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:32 pm

admin wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:21 pm
actually, the "Chilean Libertarian" philosophy was summed up best by my nieghbors father,

"You can do anything you want in Chile, until soneone shoots you".

oddly, she is hard core Communist. :lol:
Admin I think your right. I have been going to Chile for over 7 years now and have lived here for roughly 3 years in total. I have ventured every once in a while to youtube to see what people say about Chile and a lot of the videos from expats are made by the local chapter of the Ayn Rands fan club. I use to think these people were up in the night. The last year and a half has helped me know these people don't know what they are talking

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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by RuneTheChookcha » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:44 pm

vamoschile wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:26 pm
... and nobody cares.
Generally, the number of people who care vs those who don't, is a bit "disproportional". Irrespective of the country, culture, or society. This is my observation.

But if your question is solely about the difference between those protests caused by the "30 pesos", and the lack of them in the present situation, you have to research both situations in more depth, and, hopefully, you will find out...
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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:16 pm

IMO, if you want to compare the power of the "left" vs. the USA. The left here has and does rule the narrative from academia, media, etc. So you are fried if you were there or here.

Only difference is, this is Chile and the ineffectiveness and slowness of the bureaucracy is a plus if you are libertarian minded and swift.

But get over the US libertarian narrative as even the right here support the bonos and other benefits to lift the poorer chllenos to higher standards of living and ... votes.
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Re: Libertarians Thoughts on Chile Now?

Post by vamoschile » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:12 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:16 pm
But get over the US libertarian narrative as even the right here support the bonos and other benefits to lift the poorer chllenos to higher standards of living and ... votes.
I wouldn't say I am libertarian at all except on the topics of personal choice. I am in favor of a lot of Chilean programs like their health care. In my opinion, Chile's health care is by far better than the USA in terms of coverage and ability to help the poor without bankrupting them. Granted the quality isn't the best all the time but it's better to have a slow medical process than none at all. On the other hand I find the subsidio to buy a house kind of dumb in my opinion because it appears everyone is abusing the process and it tends to group a bunch of bad apples in close proximity leading to dangerous places for kids to grow up.

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