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U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 am
by admin
so the u.s. national security archive has declassified some more documents on the election and over throw of Allende. I have not read through all of them yet.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book ... lende-wins

seems some of the former redactions were for no other reason than they were extremely insulting to Chile.

Re: U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:35 am
by admin
Back in my last year at the university, I took a history class on the dictatorship in chile.

It was just as the u.s. was starting to declassify large amounts of documents about chile during the clinton administration.

They were fairly sloppy about it, I believe due to the vast amount of documents that was being released on all sorts of cold war subjects.

well, the internet was just taking off about that time too, and they were all sort of documents dumped on a national archive web site that for the first time anyone could easily access.

I had to write a term paper on the subject. As I was digging through those archives looking for ideas, I came across a memo, order / authorizing the CIA to kill key political figures in chile. It was signed by Henry kisenger. It was literally a smoking gun.

well, a few years later I looked for that document again, and it was gone. The Bush administration ordered the documents reclassified.

somewhere, probably on an old floppy disk, I have a copy of that memo still. someday I will dig it out and post it.

Re: U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:57 am
by admin
This one is fun:
“We have been living with a corpse in our midst for some time and its name is Chile,” reads the redacted graph. “The decomposition is no less malodorous because of the civility which accompanies it. Chileans could as usual chatter endlessly on television and radio and in the early hours today as if nothing had changed and the screen switched from variety shows to roundtables of politicians pontificating as foolishly as ever. Chileans like to die peacefully with their mouths open.”

Re: U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:24 pm
by ghibli
I knew about Kissinger - one of the great mass murderers of all time. Cambodia. Indonesia. Chile was just a snack for him. Assuming your quote is from the declassified docs, it's just another example of the massive contempt the us .gov has and is showing for south and central america. Elon Musk's recent remark about the lithium copy in bolivia is a fine example "We'll coup who we want to coup."

Re: U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:25 pm
by ghibli
That should read "lithium coup" spell check runs off now and then.

Re: U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:33 am
by fraggle092
Some of Ambassador Korry's remarks show his frustration with Chilean politics of the period, which were not too different to some of the antics seen in Congress recently - even involving the same actors.
The potency of the Communist Party and the povery of the Christian Democratic Party (PDC) can best be seen with regard to Cuba; the PCCh convinced Castro to play their game, to call off the mod squad of Socialist extremists known as the MIR, and thus deprive Alessandri of much of the Law and Order issue on which his campaign was so largely rested (sic).... The PDC ceded on every issue this year to the PCCh and the Socialists.
He didn't have anything good to say about the Right Wing either.
Here's an extract from a lengthy interview with Korry in 1998 undertaken by the CEP in 1998 for those interested, in English.
Now, the most interesting thing, I think I said to you and you didn’t believe it, but I have confirmed it, is that by the end of 1972 the Communist Party of the Soviet Union reached the conclusion that this case was on the wrong path. And they had told Corvalán before Allende came, that they were not going to give any money. Wait a minute, I’m going to review the chronology on this. Here we are. Corvalán visits Moscow on the heels of a June visit by the head of the Chilean Socialist Party, Carlos Altamirano, who is accompanied by a Communist member of the “directiva” of the Communist Party in Chile. They each met with Brezhnev, they each conferred with Kosygin. Corvalán met with Kirilenko, who was rated number two in the Soviet Union at that time and with whom Corvalán had dealt often for many years. Then in December Allende visited Moscow, as you said, he conferred with Brezhnev and with all of them, and he asked for five hundred million dollars. Five hundred million! And they told him straight, they told him to make his peace with the capitalist world

Re: U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:59 am
by tiagoabner
At least Chilean politics are consistent. They're mostly the same 50 years later.

Re: U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:22 am
by 41southchile
tiagoabner wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:59 am
At least Chilean politics are consistent. They're mostly the same 50 years later.
Most countries politics are, you will find. Populism, manipulation, corruption et al are as old as politics itself.

Re: U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:30 am
by admin
Well you got over half the country living in 1973. 30% of the right thinks pinochet is going to return at any moment, and 30% of the left thinks allende is coming back.

Re: U.S. Declassified Allende Documents, 50 years on

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:05 pm
by ghibli
Tiagoabner: Hahahahahahaha Yes indeed sad to say.