The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:26 pm

Jamers41 wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:30 pm
I will likely vote "rechazo," but I'm not as worried about it as some here seem to be. If the people vote yes, I still don't think that Chile will promptly spiral into Venezuela, the political right here is not that stupid, they made sure that anything put into a new constitution has to have 2/3rds approval for a reason. If a new constitution actually manages to be cooked up with enough votes from different groups, and those groups are seen as legitimate by a majority of the populace, long term this would be beneficial.
There has been nothing democratic about this affair so far, the Communists are attempting to grab power any way they can, and have repeatedly shown that they don't give a hoot for parliamentary democracy. Here's what Trotskyist Luis Mesina (No+AFP) said recently:
“El día 27 se abre otro escenario para mi, el 27 el mundo cambia en Chile. Si presionamos podemos obligar al Congreso a una ley exprés que cambie, definitivamente, que los constituyentes no van a ser electos por los partidos. Lo podemos cambiar, depende de nosotros”, expresó en una charla.

Además Mesina agregó que “se pude dar el fenómeno, que dada la capacidad de movilización, que los constituyentes se constituyan en la primera reunión y se autodeclaren soberanos realmente y se acabo todo. Cierran el Congreso inmediatamente”.
AKA golpe por secretaria. They did shut him up later, but that's ultimate aim of these people. Imho. I don't think that even the other opposition parties realize how far their Commie parliamentary "allies" want to go, especially as they would be quickly given the boot if Mesina's wishes did come true.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by admin » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:06 am

here was the article on the detention hearing for john Cobin:

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... rado.shtml

They added charges it seems for having hit one of the protesters with his truck, but its not really clear from the article what that is all about.

In any case, the prosecutor and courts have a political bone they do not want or can not drop. Probably the worse of all possible circumstances from a criminal defense point of view. They got nothing to work with. He dug that hole good and deep.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by admin » Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:50 pm

admin wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:06 am
here was the article on the detention hearing for john Cobin:

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... rado.shtml

They added charges it seems for having hit one of the protesters with his truck, but its not really clear from the article what that is all about.

In any case, the prosecutor and courts have a political bone they do not want or can not drop. Probably the worse of all possible circumstances from a criminal defense point of view. They got nothing to work with. He dug that hole good and deep.
o.k..correction on that. I had to get a procedural translation from my wife on the Chilean criminal code to what that charge was the prosecutor added there.

They added the equivalent of attempted murder, due to the clearly intentional element. That is good for 15 to 20 years.

probably took them a while to find and translate the before and after videos he made.

so now they have before, during, and after video.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:22 pm

A video on BioBio by columnist Gonzalo Rojas, where he analyses the coordination behind the delinquency of the last couple of months. Nothing new here, but its the first time I have seen names being named (and blamed) in the mainstream media. In Spanish. Still worth a watch for those who need convincing.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:30 pm

Two football teams look on a brazos cruzados while a delinquent energetically smashes a broadcast TV camera.
Police conspicuously absent. This is Chile now.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by El Presidente » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:28 pm

Denying broadcast soccer to the people is a none-too-bright strategy and is not going to win many supporters in this country.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:47 pm

Also, the players are totally justifiable in not messing around with the protestors. Not only they would be risking themselves needlessly, but they would also be doing that with the media around.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:04 pm

El Presidente wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:28 pm
Denying broadcast soccer to the people is a none-too-bright strategy and is not going to win many supporters in this country.
Its Chile's football hooligans, the barras bravas who are sabotaging the matches. Another Chilean stone best left unturned.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:25 pm

tiagoabner wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:47 pm
Also, the players are totally justifiable in not messing around with the protestors. Not only they would be risking themselves needlessly, but they would also be doing that with the media around.
I posted that pic as representing what's going on here these days in many places. The lumpen destructively venting their spite unhindered while the passive majority just watches on, and the cops are nowhere in sight.

Indeed, if anyone had tried to restrain that animal, the funas, and internet threats would quickly follow. And he's probably carrying a knife for more immediate retaliation.

Way to go, Chile!
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by PaltaConPollo » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:54 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:04 pm
El Presidente wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:28 pm
Denying broadcast soccer to the people is a none-too-bright strategy and is not going to win many supporters in this country.
Its Chile's football hooligans, the who are sabotaging the matches. Another Chilean stone best left unturned.
I'm from England, a country that has historically had one of the most notorious football hooligan cultures in Europe...and yet, the Barras Bravas make the worst of our hooligans look like hippies. These guys are psychopaths who would stab you to death in a heartbeat if they saw you wearing the wrong football shirt, they are involved with the narco gangs and all sorts of far-left and far-right militant groups, any time a 'clasico' is going on means using public transport is a no-go that day unless you want your bus to be hijacked and/or set alight...which makes it darkly amusing that the Chilean left has joined forces with such people.

Yep, the same women who are chanting "Un violador en tu camino" are protesting against the killing of a man from a group who would rape them without a moment's thought. I never thought I'd see the day where feminists would join forces with ultra-macho football hooligans, but that's the situation in Chile right now. Utterly bizarre.

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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:18 pm

Un encapuchado en tu camino
Un delinquente en tu camino
Un comunista en tu camino
Un lumpen en tu camino
Un flaite en tu camino
Una turba en tu camino
Una funa en tu camino
Una feminista chilena idiota aliada con los anteriores en tu camino

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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by admin » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:36 am

oh, come on that is not fair.

There is justice in Chile.

The communist party, got sued by a women that lived on a property they owned for free. Court ruled they have to pay her 170 million pesos for all the years she was a caretaker.

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... ados.shtml

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't even know where to start to make fun of that.

Well, first, you are living on property owned by the communist party. Of course they are going to stiff you. It is in their manifesto. Didn't you read it?

Second, to the PC, welcome to capitalism, chilean style; or, is that communism, Chilean style?

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