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The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by admin » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:37 am

Thought a new thread on the topic was required, now that there is a little (very little) more clarity on the trajectory of this while mess.

The vote for the constitution is April 26th, and foriegners with more than 5 years of residency may participate.

what is still up in the air, is well just about everything. the details of how it will work have not been sorted, beyond there will be a vote.

top on the to do list, is the change back to obligatory voting system.

article this morning on who would benefit:

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... ucion.html

basically the left screwed up a few years back, got rid of the obligatory vote, and now they have decided they don't like the results.

based on what has happened in other countries, at the time I predicted the left would pay for it; and they did. voluntary voting tends to always favor the right, older, more conservative type voters.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by admin » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:52 am

additional short list of things that are unknown about this vote:

constitutional mixed option, has yet to be defined. how are the congressional reps selected?

quatos have not been settled, although everyone seems vaguely on board with the idea. but is it indians, women, independents, people from mars, etc?

what exactly happens if the "no" vote wins?

what happens if the constitution whatever can not finish in the time given?

what happens if they write a constitution, put it to a vote, and it is rejected. was this all for nothing?

what happens if the anarchist take to the street and disrupt the election like they did the PSU?
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:17 am

admin wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:52 am
additional short list of things that are unknown about this vote:

constitutional mixed option, has yet to be defined. how are the congressional reps selected?

quatos have not been settled, although everyone seems vaguely on board with the idea. but is it indians, women, independents, people from mars, etc?

what exactly happens if the "no" vote wins?

what happens if the constitution whatever can not finish in the time given?

what happens if they write a constitution, put it to a vote, and it is rejected. was this all for nothing?

what happens if the anarchist take to the street and disrupt the election like they did the PSU?
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:15 am

If things get too charged, will "foreigners" be evil-eyed, heckled, harassed or worse if seen at the voting centers?
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:04 pm

Supposedly respectable left-wing political heavyweights like Heraldo Muñoz have already issued veiled threats that if constitutional change is not approved, the violence will escalate.

Given the authorities' abject failure in controlling the recent PSU examination process, which was wrecked by a bunch of schoolkids, what exceptional measures, if any, are being prepared to ensure orderly voting in the plebiscite, the results of which will have a major impact on the country's future?

Despite all the propaganda to the contrary, I suspect that the proposed constitutional change will be rejected, and its proponents have already prepared a strategy to wreck the process and declare victory by default, they will go all-out on this one. We ain't seen nuthin' yet....
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by admin » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:54 pm

the military, by law, is supposed to secure the voting locations; which normally means a couple of unarmed military standing around the doors greeting people, giving directions, and helping old ladies to their polling locations. sort of hold over from the dictatorship, that everyone sort of goes through the motions to satisfy the legal requirement.

this time, probably means attracting trouble.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by PXYC » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:34 pm

How does a foreign gets eligible to vote? Does it need to register somewhere?

Oh well I arrived on August 2015 so I guess I'll miss the 5 year mark by some months..

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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by admin » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:43 pm

PXYC wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:34 pm
How does a foreign gets eligible to vote? Does it need to register somewhere?

Oh well I arrived on August 2015 so I guess I'll miss the 5 year mark by some months..
it is automattic, based on civil registery database.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by GAminer » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:50 pm

What is the difference between the PSU and say the SAT or ACT in the states?

I understand it is an entry exam for University, but not sure as to their reasoning for protesting it.

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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by 41southchile » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:20 pm

admin wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:54 pm
the military, by law, is supposed to secure the voting locations; which normally means a couple of unarmed military standing around the doors greeting people, giving directions, and helping old ladies to their polling locations. sort of hold over from the dictatorship, that everyone sort of goes through the motions to satisfy the legal requirement.

this time, probably means attracting trouble.
I've always seen armed military at the local voting places (usually outside the schools) near me, even for Municipal elections. My father was here one year and said, that's a bit over the top isn't it ? Not this time I guess. There is (was?) also a dry law too, is that still in place? No alcohol sales on the day of the election.
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by 41southchile » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:27 pm

admin wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:52 am
additional short list of things that are unknown about this vote:

constitutional mixed option, has yet to be defined. how are the congressional reps selected?

quatos have not been settled, although everyone seems vaguely on board with the idea. but is it indians, women, independents, people from mars, etc?

what exactly happens if the "no" vote wins?

what happens if the constitution whatever can not finish in the time given?

what happens if they write a constitution, put it to a vote, and it is rejected. was this all for nothing?

what happens if the anarchist take to the street and disrupt the election like they did the PSU?
constitutional mixed option, has yet to be defined. how are the congressional reps selected?

No one has a clue .

quatos have not been settled, although everyone seems vaguely on board with the idea. but is it indians, women, independents, people from mars, etc

No one has a clue

what exactly happens if the "no" vote wins?

Violence

what happens if the constitution whatever can not finish in the time given?

Violence

what happens if they write a constitution, put it to a vote, and it is rejected? . was this all for nothing?

Violence and no

what happens if the anarchist take to the street and disrupt the election like they did the PSU?

Violence
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Re: The new constitutional vote and the social crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:35 pm

So we have thee months to stock up just in case we need to stay inside for a month or more after living the flick:

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