State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:46 am

the quiltro coupe is almost complete. :lol:
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:59 am

for those that don't get the joke, "negro matapaco" was a street dog in valpo. Think it was about 7 years ago or so, he was caught in video rushing in to a student protest and biting a cop that was trying to grab one of the protesters, forcing the cop to let go of the protester.

he was adopted, and died of old age sometime ago.

ever since he has been sort of symbol for student protesters.

If you watch just about any video of the protest, there is almost always one or two street dogs on the frontline.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by cali_chile48 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:43 am

I think we are in this for the long haul. Things re going to get a lot worse before they get better. The government is not showing any signs of understanding the magnitude of this crisis and they have no answer other passing laws against the protesters. There are bigger strikes planned for Monday and Tuesday. The schools are shutting down. This movement is composed largely of young people who are not afraid of the police, very strongly interconnected and have much more support from the population than the government does.

I think putting soldiers on the street with weapons would be a terrible mistake. A Kent State type incident would be guaranteed, and then the whole damn country burns.

This is way past play time. This is the real deal. if you're not committed to the long term future of Chile, it's probably better to get out. Whatever contracts you have in place are essentially worthless. This country is beginning a re-birthing process that could be quite violent.

One way to keep your finger on the pulse of the younger generation is to listen to their music:

Victor Jara's song with new lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0M-hr7VhGk

Chile desperto rap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgT6EEYyq9w

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by El Ping » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:26 am

Relatively quiet yesterday in Iquique.... a big truckers demo in the morning... I think every prime mover in town did the full 'convoy with hand on horn' bit from one end of town and back....

A water cannon and a caribinero transporter (?), both looking the worse for wear,crossed over Banquedo in the late afternoon to assorted less than complimentory noises from the people .

However, the banks are beefing up their shuttering, all seem to have been attacked with rocks.... except Santander which is untouched and has no shuttering at all....

Only two caribineros standing by near the plaza last night....

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by 41southchile » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:08 am

cali_chile48 wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:43 am


This is way past play time. This is the real deal. if you're not committed to the long term future of Chile, it's probably better to get out. Whatever contracts you have in place are essentially worthless. This country is beginning a re-birthing process that could be quite violent.
There is a violent war with Russians and Ukrainians in the east, yet markets biz opportunities and day to day life still functions in Kiev and other parts of the country, not comparing the situations just think your analysis is a bit apocalyptic.
Anywhere and everywhere is going to be violent at some stage in their history, you yourself mentioned Kent State and those turbulent times, yet the country did not grind to a halt. There are young and disenfranchised everywhere and now more then ever they are pissed and connected, but so is the state and big business , EVERYONE. Contracts are not worthless depending on what you are involved in, that is hyperbole, I bet someone will make a fortune bringing in smash proof glass, and metal shutters for windows.
The vast majority want stability and order at whatever cost, I dont know what's going to happen, NO ONE does, but if one is committed as you say to Chile, one has to look inside oneself first. That's where the re birth begins for the whole country , everyone you talk to is doing this, those that are not will struggle, violence is not needed or wanted by the vast majority.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by mem » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:17 am

I agree some of the sentiments expressed are a bit on the apocalyptic hyperbole side. There is still hope. As admin pointed out, the majority of the criminal acts are taking place in high crime areas.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:29 am

And the carabineros and PDI know who most of the criminals and vandals are. Again repeated in a local article the other day, the same 200 number for the entire province of San Antonio.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:34 am

And the youngsters will eventually realize that you have to deal with the old fogeys of Gen X and Boomer gens that know how things work and how to get things done and who may even have some valid wisdom. If not, it will be Lord of the Flies Shhiiileno 16-34 year old style.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:21 pm

oh, please this is how this works in Chile, and it is just exactly how it works anywhere in the world.

The rich will simply isolate themselves from the poor. They do it everywhere from Beijing, to Bellair, to Martha's vineyard. In latin america, especially in the more dangerous countries, the "rich" part of the city turns in to a whole separate country. I hear, even as big a socialist mess as Venezuela is, the rich part of Caracas is working just fine.

In chile, for example, please take note that there has not been one major incident, or even significant protest, allowed in to Los Condes or any of the other rich nieghborhoods. Anytime the protesters have gotten close, suddenly the police or military were all over it.

What has been happening in Chile (since at least 2010 earthquake) in a slow drip, drip fashion for about 10+ years, is the rich and upper middle class have been either leaving Santiago outright, or at least establishing a second "vacation" home in other parts of chile. In particular southern chile. That is just going to accelerate.

For instance, the rapid growth of wealth concentration in Los lagos, is not an accident; neither is the consistent low unemployment in the region.

we had two or three airplanes a day 10 years ago. I think they are flying like 20+ direct flights to Santiago a day now; and it is not just tickets have gotten cheaper. we got at least three airlines flying.

We started 2019 with zero chilean relocation clients in our buisness, now I have kind of lost track of the number of internal, chilean, relocation clients we have acquired. That was before the protests started. Most, by the way, are wealthy doctors from the central region. fine with me, we need the specialist down here. I never really thought of that as a potential market for us. They found us.

the north east part of Santiago will become more exclusive. There will probably always be some rich or at least new rich there. prices will go up there, as people flee the instability and insecurity of the other parts of Santiago. kind of a shame, as there had been a bit of urban renewal in the works more towards dowtown. That is over with, probably for good.

much of the rest of Santiago will get ghettofied.

The rich, say top 10 or 20% of the country, they will abandon Santiago. Those that do not need to be at an office everyday; and eventually the offices and headquarters will follow them.

With them will go the power and influence. finally, we might start seeing real decentralization take hold. more money and government projects will get directed to the parts of chile they decide to move to.

so yea, in short, the poor are going to get screwed. the only question is how hard.

They will be abandoned to enjoy burning and looting the crumbling over stressed infrastructure of the cities.

I would be very surprised, if there is not some sort of political reform out of this that formalizes the decentralization of chile. either via a constitutional or simple legal reform, that gives significantly more financial and political autonomy to the regions.

The irony is, after over a 100 years of the regions complaining about the political and financial wealth of the country being concentrated in Santiago, they will finally get their wish; because that wealth and power is moving out of Santiago.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by ExpatBob » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:26 pm

Like any angry, ignorant political young mob, they will start to devour themselves in short order over miniscule differences in opinion. I hope they all die of anal hemorrhage.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by ExpatBob » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:32 pm

admin wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:21 pm

the north east part of Santiago will become more exclusive. There will probably always be some rich or at least new rich there. prices will go up there, as people flee the instability and insecurity of the other parts of Santiago. kind of a shame, as there had been a bit of urban renewal in the works more towards dowtown. That is over with, probably for good.

much of the rest of Santiago will get ghettofied.
I hope you’re wrong about this but i can imagine it’s over for a while. Shame, because my area in centro has gentrified a lot since i first arrived. It was super ghetto but people started taking pride in it, fixing everything up, re values doubled and more. Lots of new shops/business and new construction too. Now it’s all shuttered up and back to the few hardscrabble folks who were here before it cleaned up. Easy come, easy go.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:38 pm

for instance, my nieghbors, built a new house last year. They bought a new car, and they just leave it here. I had not seen them in like 8 months. As soon as the shit hit the fan in Santiago, they showed up.

They are not the only ones here doing that. Probably half the "summer" homes around the lake, serve that function. It is the "life insurance" for the rich. They have been "prepping" for a long time, just not the way say Americans think of "prepping". They are establishing continuity of standards of living for themselves, family, and friends.
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