State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:16 pm

so all the little commie politicians are out on the talk shows this morning trying to defend what happened; and of course it is pineras fault even though they and bachelet had plenty of opportunity to do something about all the things that are supposed excuses for this. all the while, they are calling on the government to fix all the new problems created by the riots over the last 48 hours.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by admin » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:29 pm

so seems the people shot by the military tried to ram a road block as the military was trying to stop them and military opened fire.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by cali_chile48 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:29 pm

I think some of you are overstating some of the numbers. I don't believe 20% of the people in Santiago participated in the rioting, for example. Santiago is a city of about 6 million people. 20% would be 1.2 million people on the streets burning shit. If that were true the whole damn city would have burnt to the ground. It's a very small percentage of people who attack the police and break windows and start fires. Some of them are politically motivated (hard core Marxists, for example), and some of them are just delinquents who think it's fun and aren't too worried about getting caught and then punished. They know that's not going to happen.

Once it becomes clear from the news reports and the information on social networks that the police are overwhelmed, then there's a larger group of opportunists who see a chance for free stuff, and they take it. This includes some immigrants, but not many. Mostly it's Chileans who think it's OK to take anything that they can get away with.

Also, it isn't fair to label people who are generally socially and politically progressive as "commies and socialists". The critical question is if a person respects some basic social contracts like "the rule of law" and will defer to the authority of the State. The great majority of the center left, greens, and progressives were at home, trying to stay out of the fight.

With fingers crossed, I'll say that I think the worst is over. I seriously doubt there are very many people willing to start rioting now that the military is set up, with the specific mission to stop the rioting.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by tiagoabner » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:31 pm

Yep, I had to turn my TV off, that shit was giving me nausea. I mean, there's denying the facts, and then there's fantasizing. I'm not even sure if they're liars or if they believe in what they're saying, and I don't know what's worse.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Cayte » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:46 pm

Didn't Bob Marley have a song sort of like this?

"Last night there was a hot time in the old town.
Foreign press say the whole country burnin' down."

They are trying to ruin Chile's reputation as a politically stable country, which would be a terrible loss.

So if the USD strengthens against the CLP, and the Chilean stock market tanks...
---> Sell dollars for more pesos and then buy Chilean stock at a bargain price.
Not easy to get the timing exactly right.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:56 pm

Every time I hear that Rubilar chilena speak I can't stop getting the idea that she might be pres of Shiiile one day.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:06 pm

Donnybrook wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:05 pm
It is unfortunate the messenger went too far as the message is genuine: miserable pensions (I have one so I know), horribly expensive medicine, poor state education and health services. But now we are al focussed on the damage caused and I don't think much will change. Monday will be interesting.
All true. But how do you persuade Chileans to actually pay some reasonable amount to cover this?
Right now they don't or won't.
They are all resentidos, they hate and envy anyone better-off than themselves - who don't pay their fair share either.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by at46 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:14 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:56 pm
Every time I hear that Rubilar chilena speak I can't stop getting the idea that she might be pres of Shiiile one day.
Just watched her for the first time. She does seem more genuine and empathetic than any other Chilean politician I've seen so far and is pressing all the right buttons.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by Donnybrook » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:19 pm

It is all kicking off again in Plaza Italia in Santiago. This definitely has the sniff of co-ordination. First they massed in Bellavista and then crossed the bridge. Nothing spontaneous about it.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by at46 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:19 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:06 pm
Donnybrook wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:05 pm
It is unfortunate the messenger went too far as the message is genuine: miserable pensions (I have one so I know), horribly expensive medicine, poor state education and health services. But now we are al focussed on the damage caused and I don't think much will change. Monday will be interesting.
All true. But how do you persuade Chileans to actually pay some reasonable amount to cover this?
Right now they don't or won't.
They are all resentidos, they hate and envy anyone better-off than them - who dont pay their fair share either.

Raza infeliz.
Yep, these things are the way they are because the Chilean people are the way are. Lipstick on a pig doesn't stick for long.

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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:27 pm

Donnybrook wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:19 pm
It is all kicking off again in Plaza Italia in Santiago. This definitely has the sniff of co-ordination. First they massed in Bellavista and then crossed the bridge. Nothing spontaneous about it.
Canal 13 said something about it being organized over social networks was supposed to be peaceful family affair, fat chance.
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Re: State of emergency and curfews, October 2019

Post by tiagoabner » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:29 pm

Sacked stores in San Bernardo, there are allegedly multiple violent protests beginning as we speak.
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