Real life experience Fonasa B with the private system

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Re: Real life experience Fonasa B with the private system

Post by snobrd4life » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:44 pm

I believe I might have run into one of the founders, Ukrainian, If I remember correctly, of the startup that you are talking about back at a roof party in 2013. I was hesitant to think that he could make much happen with $50k USD, but the idea was cool. Way more developed than others that I learned about that evening. Would be crazy if that’s the same company.

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Post by frozen-north » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:07 pm


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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:37 pm

No shit, I especially don't need the FDA who approves of the whole pharma based US overpriced sick health culture as THE SOURCE of accurate UNBIASED info. Especially non-resident strawman shit coming from a ChiCanadian.

Like individuals can't do their own research and make their own decisions.

Fuck off of my thread.
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Post by mem » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:05 pm

As far as the prolotherapy...its the real deal. My wife worked for a dr at a natural health clinic in the US for years that pioneered prolo in the NW US. Saw amazing results outside of conventional treatment options. I mean seriously amazing results. Sounds like you are on a great path

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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:09 pm

Ya know, Chile is VERY conventional when it comes to med doctrines, so much so that I was even surprised that a place accepting Fonasa (associated with SanaSalud) was doing alternative/cutting edge stuff.

There is quite of bit of vetting in the the Chile system where public and private insurance is involved.

This is not Mexico, though I believe everyone has the right to decide and receive the treatment of their choosing.
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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm

An adventure it has indeed been, I will be getting my SVF infusion tomorrow.

Seems that CORFO has been granting funds to multiple labs in Chile that are doing research on stem cells. I am quite surprised to be honest. The clinic I am getting treatment at will be opening on office in Boston to run their international ops.

AND I need to stress, like the US, this treatment is not/rarely covered by insurance though the initial doc consultation in Chile might be.
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Post by thisisreallycomplicated » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:10 am

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
An adventure it has indeed been, I will be getting my SVF infusion tomorrow.
What's your prognosis? Did they tell you what to expect? And is your knee getting any better or worse?
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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:50 am

I still cannot walk like normal but I can appear normal albeit slower to most observers. Pain is minimal. I am hoping the SVF treatment can heal the inner meniscus and bring me back to near normal subject to lack of an ACL.

I plan to use autohemotherapy injections to aide in healing. Yes, many clinics actually offer this.

I have discovered Chile has many options for alternative therapies from real doctors if you go looking.

More details as the results or lack of come in.
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Post by at46 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:18 am

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:02 pm
I will post names as I see things go...
How's been your treatment/recovery so far?

Coincidentally, a friend had meniscus operation due to cyst recently. Two months out he's still in a lot of pain and they just found a tear on his other knee. Can you recommend any specialists/clinics that you used? TIA!

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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:21 pm

Hi at46,

The place I went to originally was:

http://www.somedica.cl/
A small clinic, good attention from the front desk staff (often a major shortcoming with the large clinics in Chile) who actually answer the phones connected to multiple lines and also possibly because the owner/head traumatologist is present everyday and will probably be the first doctor one will consult. This traumatologist was able to steer my wife away from a shoulder operation but in my case was set on an operation. They have X-Ray facilities on their site but no MRI.

Went to Imared Santiago for the MRI:
imared.cl/#sucursales
Friendly staff but a long wait as they work through the patients for that day on their sole MRI. In the future, I can get it done in San Antonio as Clinica San Antonio just acquired a MRI.

The pre-op blood test and EKG were done at Clinica San Antonio which is part of the SanaSalud network:
sanasalud.cl/red-de-centros/
Clinica San Antonio was very efficient. I actually went to the SanaSalud in Providencia when I consulted with another traumatologist regarding stem cell therapy.

Under PAD FONASA, the operation would have taken place at Clinica Sierra Bella:
clinicasierrabella.cl


Stem Cell Therapy in Chile
There are a handful in Chile. There are the ones who use umbilical cord stem cells and those who do the real deal by extracting the patients own stem cells from fat or marrow. Some focus on cancer and other serious diseases and others focus on the joints. There are also stem cell banks in Chile for those who plan for the future day they may be needed.

FONASA does not cover this type of treatment though it may cover the initial doctor consultation. Private insurance or additional private insurance to complement FONASA might or might not cover it.

The place I decided to go with is Clinica Cellus:
https://rodilla.cellus.cl/
https://www.clinicacellus.cl/
Their face to the English speaking world: https://www.cellus.cl/

FVE technique with two injections, one into the joint and one into the broken meniscus guided by sonogram. At the three week mark now with my first control visit a week and a half from now. Generally it takes 1-3 months for the stem cells to get going. Just completed my mandated 10 sessions of kine in San Antonio (a little over $70.000 pesos covered by FONASA). The evidence of the liposuction is almost gone, did not have much knee pain from the procedure at all, knee still feels pretty much the same but I will have to learn to live without the ACL even if the meniscus repairs itself and the other cartilage structures improve.

Staff from the front desk to the nurses to the docs are extremely friendly and patient focused. The facility is cGMP with all the ISO certs. The consulting doc is a Chilean who studied in Spain and you will notice the difference between how a Physiatrist evaluates a problem joint vs. your average Tramautologist/Sports Medicine doc.

I will have three more followups into next year after the first and they have banked my cells at their facility just in case I need another injection.

The cost was half a palo more than the new ACL construction and removal of broken meniscus FONASA PAD operation and around US$2,000 cheaper than a similar stem cell procedure if done up north.
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Re: Real life experience Fonasa B with the private system

Post by at46 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:02 pm

Eeuuexpat, great datos! Thank you very much for such a detailed answer and I wish you a swift recovery.

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