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Argentina power outage

Post by admin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:13 am

I am still parsing through news of what happened, but seems all of argentina is without power, and today is an election day. seems Uruguay and parts of brazil are down too.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48652686

i am seeing cnn report parts of chile too, but i am not seeing where. cnn has knack for fiction writings.

my whole question is, how do you "accidentally" take out an entire grid of a country, if the country has more than one or two power sources? never mind taking out neighboring countries grids.

something smells about this whole story.
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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by admin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:15 am

like i am not even sure an EMP would completly take down an entire modern grid system. it would definitely ruin someone's Sunday at the energy ministry and power companies, but an area the size of southern south america?
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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by admin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:54 am

i simply can not find and confirmation in local or international news, that is not just parroting cnn, to confirm where in chile this outrage is at.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/06/16/wo ... index.html
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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by admin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:03 pm

looks like the source is some wanker in the argentina goverment.

i know there is some interconnection, as the power companies sell their excess capacity back and fourth; but i am not aware of any grid segment in chile that depends 100% on argentina. chile learned its lesson about depending on Argentina for anything (e.g. on again off again nat gas supply).
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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by mem » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:11 pm

Right, I dont think Chile was affected. To explain how two countries like Argentina and Uruguay could both lose power...I think it boils down to:

1) Argentina crapped the bed...having s single grid for the whole country without being able to conpartmentalize failure. It was bound to happen if the electricity sector is run anything like the banking/currency

2) Uruguay is overstating its "independence" on electricity and in actuality are relying on Argentina a heck of a lot more than they are saying. When Argentina crapped itself Uruguays grid tipped over with the reality of actually suddenly providing all their momentary power needs as a new nominal

I read in the BBC article that supposedly small parts of Paraguay and Brazil were affected but for all we know that's as accurate as Chile being affected

Glad that chile has more than 1 grid...so that failure domains are limited in scope

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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by mem » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:15 pm

Just read another article saying Brazil was said to also be affected but when contacted Brazil said they were not affected. Probably a case of AR trying to deflect the bad PR and say other countries are affected when they actually aren't (other than uruguay or course)

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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by admin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:22 pm

forbes reported a while back that Argentina needed more than 350 billion dollars just to catch up on maintenance of their infrastructure.

The terrifying thing about that is, argentina has nuclear power plants. Chernobyl anyone?

Good think we have nuclear shield: the Andes. Think i will stay upwind of Argentina's "issues".
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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by admin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:25 pm

yea that all had 'look it was not just us' deflection written all over it.
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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by admin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:55 pm

someone finally called out cnn for the report being false in their comments:

https://www.cnnchile.com/mundo/apagon-m ... _20190616/
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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by admin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:08 pm

still, the one i find suspicious beyond all else was a nation wide outage, hours before an election.

it is well known that such things will delay and discourage voters from showing to vote, even no voting machine's are involved. for instance subways and traffic lights being down. several pulling places are reporting late opens, and officials using their cell phones to provide light to vote.

just screams waaay toooo mich Argentinan corruption written all over it.
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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by mem » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:16 pm

admin wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:55 pm
someone finally called out cnn for the report being false in their comments:

https://www.cnnchile.com/mundo/apagon-m ... _20190616/
If I didn't know better CNN may have somehow confused Argentina/south america with Trump (and I am not a trump-tard)....they surely don't have a horse in the race of south american power stability. Perhaps they feel the need to "juice" stories to make them seem more unprecedented and amazing in the wake of all their layofss on the north american side. Sadly Chile gets lumped in with south american ne'er-do-well countries too often...which is basically most south american others. Aside form Uruguay's obvious electricidad deficiencies, I guess Columbia, Peru, and Uruguay are usually the runners up to Chile in most spheres of awesomeness.

Lol just saw your post about the election connection. I thought that myself...there are really not many coincidences. Perhaps this is the plan of an argentinian election mastermind while the electricity companies are left to tap dance to the world media pointing fingers in all directions to minimize the disruption and disrepute to their own personal lives which typically aren't under any scrutiny

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Re: Argentina power outage

Post by FrankPintor » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:27 pm

Just got back online here, seems like the fault was fixed fairly quickly, within 2 hours, but it takes a bit longer to switch on the whole country I guess.
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