Climate changing in Chile

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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:32 pm

Bit more expensive per family for these families 12.5 millions per family for desal plant and storage . https://www.soychile.cl/Puerto-Montt/So ... aiten.aspx
Maybe its just me but I do find it a little strange that politicians obviously not looking to loose any voters and be liked by everyone keep saying and telling people "live where you want and the government will support you" . Some countries are having to already tell people, this area is not suitable to live in anymore , prohibition on new builds etc and looking at how they will compensate people to move away.
As climate change makes some areas impractical or too expensive to keep up services to, some governments are looking at relocating people and abandoning some areas, of course these are all 20 to 50 yr plans , so probably too much to ask politicians to think like that here.
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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by passport » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:05 pm

The US government serves as the housing insurer of last resort in flood-prone areas. This encourages people to build in places where private insurers know better than to tread. Free market equilibrium not functioning there, and taxpayers once again forced to subsidize irrationality.

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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by at46 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:15 pm

In Vancouver they put a lot of the good flat land into an untouchable agricultural reserve on the pretext of food security, forcing people to build on the hills. Which works great for the builders, realtors, lawyers and the government via higher costs and taxes, but no so much for the homeowners. And all you hear is the incessant propaganda of limited land supply when there are huge swathes of stupid potato fields all around.

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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:18 pm

passport wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:05 pm
The US government serves as the housing insurer of last resort in flood-prone areas. This encourages people to build in places where private insurers know better than to tread. Free market equilibrium not functioning there, and taxpayers once again forced to subsidize irrationality.
Speaking of flooding, I know this is a Chile forum but climate is a worldwide thing I guess, Nebraska got totally hammered with floods which I had surprisingly heard very little about, looks bad there
As for Mozambique they are absolutely screwed and now comes the disease.
NZ set a new 48 hour rainfall record last week at a weather station 1086mm (over 40 inches) in what was described as an extremely violent storm.
Be prepared Santiago this year is el niño and rainfall events are possible they say.
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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by admin » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:16 pm

they have abused the use of "el niño" so bad, every year is an el niño year.

i just translate it to expect a good "ski season".
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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:06 pm

admin wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:16 pm
they have abused the use of "el niño" so bad, every year is an el niño year.

i just translate it to expect a good "ski season".
Yeah I guess if they say it often enough it will eventually happen, there is the danger of the boy who cried wolf though. But a 100 mm downpour in 24 hrs would screw Santiago , eventually it will happen , mudslides , flooding etc like it has in the past.
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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by admin » Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:47 pm

41southchile wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:06 pm
admin wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:16 pm
they have abused the use of "el niño" so bad, every year is an el niño year.

i just translate it to expect a good "ski season".
Yeah I guess if they say it often enough it will eventually happen, there is the danger of the boy who cried wolf though. But a 100 mm downpour in 24 hrs would screw Santiago , eventually it will happen , mudslides , flooding etc like it has in the past.
yea, like I said, a good ski season. :lol: :lol:

i don't have to share the slopes with anyone.
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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:13 pm

Was talking to a friend the other day, she said one of the glaciers she went to see in Patagonia(cant remember where?) Had retreated aprox 500 meters in 18 months she reckoned its actually quite impresionante how fast the are retreating. They are not talking decades now, but just years to see huge differences in glacier sizes. Better get down and see them while you can, or would that be counterproductive? maybe hitching rather than flying? Either way, no turning back now they are on their way out.
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Post by admin » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:15 pm

Yea, I can look out my window, with the binoculars, and see the glaciers across the lake have retreated or the mountain tops are completely brown. I don't recall osorno being this brown, this early in the season. Just a hint of glacier on top.

This has been an odd couple of months. In some ways, the weather had been nicer now in the technical fall, than it was during the summer. Very little rain for a couple of months. Which sort of makes me suspicious that it will come. We have had a lot of really warm days, without any wind. That typically happens as the jet stream drifts north or south as the seasons change.

But, guess it could be worse. The U.S. Midwest flooding is just getting started.
https://www.wired.com/story/those-midwe ... uch-worse/

I had funny conversation with a client from the midwest united states the other day talking about the flooding. I never much thought about it, but I realized that I pretty much spent most of my life in the Midwest living within a few miles, if not directly on the Mississippi, or at least a tributary to the Mississippi (like ones so small you can walk across). At least always in the Mississippi watershed. Our family owned a cabin, a house, and campground with different rivers that all flowed in to the Mississippi. With a few dams to portage around, you could paddle a canoe or kayak to new Orleans from any of them.

So, as I have been watching those floods in the midwest, I realized they got a lot more flooding coming this year. This is still really early in the season, and the snow packs in the upper watershed has not even really begun to melt. I use to love to go watch the ice dams on the rivers breakup in the spring.

It takes weeks and months for all that water to work its way down the rivers to the central united states. We could be looking at one of the greatest floods in the last 50 or 100 years in the United States, and right on top of planting season. The Mississippi river delta will be the last to get it.

The one that get's me, is all these Trumpet farmers, are screaming for government subsidies, bailouts, insurance, etc, etc. You know, the same ones that are hysterical at the same time about how socialism is taking over america. Just got to love the hypocrisy.

But the point is, after getting smacked down by Trump's trade war, now they get to be smacked down by Trump's "there is no climate change" so no need to spend money on levies and water management in the midwest.

I would not be surprised, in the next year or two, we get a whole lot more news about how mid-west farmers are going bankrupt, and how U.S. exports of grain and other stuff are dropping, permanently. They are not coming back.

Will be fun to see just how enthusiastic those Trumpets are about voting a second time for him, when they are homeless, out of work, etc. However, I am not holding my breath. Being from the midwest, I also know they can also be really stubborn about their "beliefs"; even if it means shooting themselves and their neighbors in the foot to defend those beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It is a cultural thing.
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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by Britkid » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:49 pm

You're talking about glaciers and climate change admin, but last week you were talking about business class flying as the way to go. It's time to start making some of these connections. Business/first class doubles the emissions per passenger because you can fit less seats on the plane.

Upgrade a long haul flight to business class and with that one decision you've created emissions roughly equivalent to a whole year's meat eating, or a whole year of driving an petrol car instead of an electric/hybrid one, or a year or two of home electricity from the grid. Incidentally another comparable metric is that upgrading to business class on long haul produces similar global warming as the total annual amount for everything from a poor person in a developing country. All of those things around 1.5-3 tonnes CO2e each.

It's one thing to justify flying economy because it's your life's dream to see the Pyramids, or because you haven't seen your Mom for years, or because you have some $100,000 business deal to close. It's quite another to double those emissions just so you can get some more leg room and eat some pretzels in a lounge.

If you care about the glaciers, and the mid west floods, the climate, and the ecosystems, and human and animal life then fly less and don't fly business class.

I'm not sure if you actually fly business class, but my point is a mindset change is needed. Anyone who considers flying business class to be a desirable thing has not really truly understood just how serious this is all becoming.

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Re: Climate changing in Chile

Post by 41southchile » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:12 am

Britkid wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:49 pm
just how serious this is all becoming.
http://time.com/5566385/global-warming- ... shrinking/
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