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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by Julito » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:37 pm

Re my last, the business viability of all of it is up to business. The most significant development with solar in Australia is it has the highest uptake of home solar power and battery systems in the world and it´s accelerating as it becomes cheaper. There´s now technology in place where neighbors and communities share electricity among themselves, their rooftops are interconnected and they load share among themselves, only relying on baseload via power companies in the extremes of heat and cold.

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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:38 pm

100 electric buses for Santiasco just landed at the port of San Antonio with 83 more incoming.
En total el puerto de San Antonio recibirá 183 buses eléctricos que se van a incorporar a los del recorrido del corredor Grecia en Santiago y va a quedar como el primer electro-corredor full eléctrico de América Latina.

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Los buses de la marca china BYD llegaron desde el puerto de Shangai a bordo de la nave Glovis Sunlight y cuentan con aire acondicionado, puertos usb, red wifi, dos puertas de acceso y rampla para personas con movilidad reducida, cámaras de seguridad y cabinas para conductores.

De acuerdo con lo informado por las autoridades, cada bus dispone de dos motores ubicados en los ejes traseros del vehículo con una potencia de 150 kw cada uno. Además, tienen un tiempo de carga de 3 horas y una autonomía de 250 kilómetros.
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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by at46 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:12 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:38 pm
100 electric buses for Santiasco just landed at the port of San Antonio with 83 more incoming.
En total el puerto de San Antonio recibirá 183 buses eléctricos que se van a incorporar a los del recorrido del corredor Grecia en Santiago y va a quedar como el primer electro-corredor full eléctrico de América Latina.

...

Los buses de la marca china BYD llegaron desde el puerto de Shangai a bordo de la nave Glovis Sunlight y cuentan con aire acondicionado, puertos usb, red wifi, dos puertas de acceso y rampla para personas con movilidad reducida, cámaras de seguridad y cabinas para conductores.

De acuerdo con lo informado por las autoridades, cada bus dispone de dos motores ubicados en los ejes traseros del vehículo con una potencia de 150 kw cada uno. Además, tienen un tiempo de carga de 3 horas y una autonomía de 250 kilómetros.
https://www.soychile.cl/San-Antonio/Soc ... total.aspx
Pretty cool. I like seeing the ones already in service in Santiago. They stand out not only due to their bright red color, but also due to the way they're driven in a very composed and civilized manner. The bus companies must have appointed their best drivers to run them.

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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by Britkid » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:14 pm

I've seen them quite often. They are not a rarity at all. If every one of the modern red ones is an electric one, then there must be quite a lot of them already, above and beyond the initial announcements of a few routes.

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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by admin » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:34 pm

well it is a start. first, electric buses in Santiago.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... ns-the-air
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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by admin » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:26 pm

here is the single best article on why chile is about to become the Saudi Arabia of the next 100 years (and they don't even mention chile).

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... ns-the-air

oil will need to run $10 to 20 a barrel, for ICE vehicles to compete with EV cars plus renewable energy sources.

what does that infrastructure need?

copper
lithium
cobalt
and a whole lot of other miscellaneous minerals no one is even bothering to mine right now.

and it has wind and solar options like few places on earth.
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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by AnciaVagar » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:35 am

admin wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:26 pm
here is the single best article on why chile is about to become the Saudi Arabia of the next 100 years (and they don't even mention chile).

{https://www.}bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-08-09/santiago-s-electric-bus-fleet-cuts-costs-and-cleans-the-air
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Metals are not like oil. Oil producers turn US$10 - US$60 per bbl crude into US$70 per bbl fuels which are then burned.

Manufacturers turn US$5000 per ton copper into US$50,000+ per ton durable products, most of which copper is later recycled, supplanting new copper. The other metals have higher added value ratios.

Chile will continue to pick up crumbs while the product makers, designers, and IP owners eat steak -- unless Chile can add more value. Probably have to fix the tax/investment/business laws first. Centuries ago, most societies figured out that exporting raw materials and importing foreign value-added finished goods creates poverty.

The other joke's on all the obedient suckers: "clean air" is part of the big lie from people who know better. Ever seen a copper smelter in action? Notice that the same people who pushed natural gas over coal now admit that methane is far worse than coal and demand you switch to solar/wind (or some shit) at your expense. Check solar/wind's lifetime energy balance and "dust-to-dust" full cycle pollution compared to fossil fuels for a real laugh.

On-topic edit: EVs don't "clean the air." Fantasy not withstanding, the manufacture of electricity, solar panels, wind generators, batteries, electric motors, electronics, etc, produces a lot of long term soil, water and air pollution.

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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:05 am

Sorry, indulged in topic drift (again), but whatever...
AnciaVagar wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:35 am
Chile will continue to pick up crumbs while the product makers, designers, and IP owners eat steak -- unless Chile can add more value. Probably have to fix the tax/investment/business laws first. Centuries ago, most societies figured out that exporting raw materials and importing foreign value-added finished goods creates poverty.
To compete globally, Chile would have to up its game in ways that seem alien to the local culture. The example of Maersk is pretty telling. But there aren't any signs of lessons learned from that debacle.
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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:39 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:05 am
To compete globally, Chile would have to up its game in ways that seem alien to the local culture. The example of Maersk is pretty telling. But there aren't any signs of lessons learned from that debacle.
Muchos San Antoninos had their eyes opened after that and now realize being manipulated by non-Maersk workers if even working at all outside professional political hacks and protest organizers from CUT and PC wasn't such a great idea. You will see comments by frequent soychile.cl local posters that will bring that episode up in related or similar news stories to this day.
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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by admin » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:24 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:05 am
Sorry, indulged in topic drift (again), but whatever...
AnciaVagar wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:35 am
Chile will continue to pick up crumbs while the product makers, designers, and IP owners eat steak -- unless Chile can add more value. Probably have to fix the tax/investment/business laws first. Centuries ago, most societies figured out that exporting raw materials and importing foreign value-added finished goods creates poverty.
To compete globally, Chile would have to up its game in ways that seem alien to the local culture. The example of Maersk is pretty telling. But there aren't any signs of lessons learned from that debacle.
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https://investchile.gob.cl/wp-content/u ... 7-2018.pdf
and those last 4 factors will make the difference. the frigen lithium, etc is irrelevant. could be blue widgets. Plenty of countries with less natural resources have become full developed countries; and, plenty of countries with far more natural resource wealth, will never be developed (e.g. Venezuela ).
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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:59 am

Firmly back on topic.

Another wannabe planet saver who just doesn't get it yet. Looks like "Saving the Planet" is going to be a wee bit harder than he thought it would. :wink:
“Don’t use the air conditioning” a helpful friend pointed out to me as I was preparing for my journey back to London. It’s true there are a few things you can do to boost range. Lay off the added extras like air con and heated seats or just drive slowly. But where do you draw the line? This car costs £33,000, so why should you have to make compromises when shelling out that sort of cash?
From much earlier:
The Prius might be the most perfect white product ever. It’s expensive, gives the idea that you are helping the environment, and requires no commitment/changes other than money.
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Re: electric vehicles in chile

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:11 pm

But wait! Technology to the rescue. We''ll save the planet yet.
Here's the answer. A big extra battery pack to drag around.
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Or this one. Which as a bonus gives more space to carry round all that indispensable shit.
They call it a "dock". Cool. Bit more expensive then your Apple dock, though.
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Maybe they can market a generator dock (preferably renewables-powered) to "dock" with the battery dock to recharge it when it goes flat. That would be Uber-Cool.
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