Chile creates 10 million Acres park, including Thompkins land

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Chile creates 10 million Acres park, including Thompkins land

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Re: Chile creates 10 million Acres park, including Thompkins land

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Post by Maker42 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:56 pm

In my experience up here in Region V, "national park" mostly means "place that's fenced off with no hiking trails." You see me not jumping for joy? Maybe this will be different?

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Post by Britkid » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:57 pm

The constant fencing off of natural areas - or use of opening hours for things like forests is constantly irritating. I see this a lot in norte chico and central Chile. The drive from Coquimbo to Santiago is mostly just wildnerness/natural areas - why is it fenced off so you can't stop and walk in it? It's not admittedly an area of particular beauty by South American standards, but it's still annoying.

However I went last year to Parque Pumalin in Patagonia, which is Tompkins country, and it was different. There are many trails and they are good, and it isn't all fenced off.

This news sounds good to me. Chile must be one of the few (ish) countries in the world with a good ratio of natural wilderness to human civilization. It's interesting that in the video in the article linked he talks about quitting his capitalist job producing products nobody needed and then went to protect the environment - he sees these two things, capitalism and environmental protection, as opposed. Someone posted an atlantic article debating this point on another thread on this forum. Inevitably, in some way, his products no-one needed were probably damaging or displacing nature in some way, just like almost all human endeavour.
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Post by David_Bro » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:57 pm

Basically this is a cultural issue and then a geographical issue-----traditionally because of work schedules and pay, Chileans have not had free time enough to be "out and about" and find an interest in developing things outside their regular sphere of providing for family, futbol, and say drinking with friends, watching TV, once and the weekly tartullia ----all that and raising children its just not on the menu-----CONAF is going to allocate funds and personnel accordingly and its much more a job of enforcement towards an economic end than it is developing parks for recreation. From my experience, typically the Chilean tourist does not adhere to the ethos of "leave it better than you found it," so even in areas that are parks or recreation areas, its a constant issue of trash and destruction----that is a lot of maintenance with not much result if not going backwards. Its not say that it is not getting better but Chile has a long way to go before parks and recreation areas are on an international level in regard to upkeep and self awareness on the part of recreationists.

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Post by admin » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:40 am

By Chance, I happened to be in a national park yesterday. Took some visiting family on the cruse across todo los santos. Very basic by international standards, but a relatively high-traffic bit of a larger national park in Chile that they have put a lot of time and money in to managing it. For the most part, things were being handled correctly. Lot's of management going on of the big crowds (for Chile), lot's of signs about what to do and not do, lot's of management of garbage and so on.

They overall did a good job of controlling the hordes, and keeping them contained to well infrastructures points. A little too Disneyland for my taste, but I understand why. I prefer more remote and wild, where I can break my leg and never be found in piece and quiet without being pestered by tour guides.

The good thing for the parks, most Chileans hate to camp and hate the outdoors. They only camp because they are cheap.

It is basically what Tompkins said about his parks. Someday Chile will appreciate them for what they are.

It would be a very, very bad thing for preserving those wild places to have them suddenly turn in to say Yosemite, with millions of visitors lighting fires and throwing garbage. Chileans, and the Chilean government, is nowhere near equipped to know how to behave in a fragil reserve.

For the moment, most of this new park land is south of Puerto Montt, and that means most Chileans will never, ever, see it. I say, out of sight, out of mind, is a good thing, for now.

The next generation, might be prepared to appreciate and take care of such a critical natural resource. Hell, even Bachelet and her socialist buddies (read, raping the land of all it's natural resources is a human right according to the marxist) are starting to come around to the idea you might want a tree or two in your socialist Paradise. Well, at least, the old school socialist politicians are coming around to the idea that the younger socialist voters are starting to prioritize the environment; and, well, most those politicians only care about their next election. So, if they have to be environmentalist to get elected, they will do it. They are reading which way the political winds are blowing too.
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Post by Britkid » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:24 pm

Agree with most of those last comments. You can be standing on a Santiago street, and an hour walk later in the middle of a mountain forest, and there is no-one there. (Only the hills in centro and Providencia, that are actually inside the city, get a lot of people.)

Unfortunately, even though there's no-one there, there is still rubbish, especially in any obviously nice spot. I've learnt to avoid any obvious nice looking picnic spot since it always has trash in it.

To get away from the rubbish, even in a nice spot, a good general rule is 4 hours walk from the road.
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Re: Chile creates 10 million Acres park, including Thompkins land

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:38 pm

Britkid wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:57 pm
The constant fencing off of natural areas..... is constantly irritating.
If its fenced, its private. Costs money to put up fencing, so the fact that it is there means the owner wants to establish his boundaries and keep people out, not necessarily for selfish reasons. There is a tendency among certain Chileans to look on any unoccupied land as fair game for a Toma, and in the case of state-owned land, Terrenos Fiscales, they are often successful. These examples are all from my area, but its a national phenomenon.

Proliferan “tomas” de terrenos en los cerros de Coquimbo

Denuncian la ocupación ilegal de los terrenos aledaños a humedal El Culebrón

Bienes Nacionales detecta un aumento de la toma ilegal de terrenos fiscales

Fiscalizan toma de terrenos en Vicuña

Notice the resemblance to Valparaiso?

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Post by HybridAmbassador » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:51 pm

Toma in Chile. The grabbing of land to build shelters for living is a trait and necessity of LatAm poor falks, seen many hills in outskirt of Lima,Peru taken by poor people descended from the Cierra or Amazonia, they all called "Invasion" They have no place to live due to affordability so have to Tomar terrenos sin permiso...

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Re: Chile creates 10 million Acres park, including Thompkins land

Post by Britkid » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:55 pm

Actually, I agree that's probably the reasoning. I saw a similar story on the tele last year for a hill on the outskirts of Vina del Mar. It's still pretty said that large areas of natural wilderness are just fenced off, though.
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