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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by Maker42 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:25 pm

at46 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm
at46 wrote:
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Conspiracy theory: Amazon throttling regular post shipments out of China. For the first time in a few years here my latest Aliexpress purchases sent Chinapost / Hong Kong post were lost. The ones purchased on Ali but coming out of their European warehouses via European postal services get through within a couple of weeks.

Edit: could be Falabella, too.
So, to confirm or refute my conspiracy theory about Amazon throttling others' shipments into Chile, I did an experiment buying the same item from Amazon and iherb.com, shipped with the same carrier - DHL. After 2.5 months in the mail, I now consider the iherb shipment officially lost. The Amazon shipment, on the other hand, I got two days before their estimated delivery date.
Oh, yeah. And those thugs called customs agents have ZERO incentive to do their job well and make legitimate shipments come through faster. Why? Because they have a monopoly on the "give me cash and I'll let you have your stuff" racket. There can be no monopolies without a lot of firepower to enforce the monopoly.

The only way you can get that kind of fire power is by forcing virtually all defenseless people to give them a big share of their productivity. Corporations can't come even close to affording that kind of military strength. Not even Amazon. If you want a monopoly, you have to socialize the cost of all that firepower, and the only way to do that is to buy some politicians and/or bureaucrats.

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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by at46 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:49 pm

Maker42 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:16 pm
at46 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm
at46 wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:44 pm
Conspiracy theory: Amazon throttling regular post shipments out of China. For the first time in a few years here my latest Aliexpress purchases sent Chinapost / Hong Kong post were lost. The ones purchased on Ali but coming out of their European warehouses via European postal services get through within a couple of weeks.

Edit: could be Falabella, too.
So, to confirm or refute my conspiracy theory about Amazon throttling others' shipments into Chile, I did an experiment buying the same item from Amazon and iherb.com, shipped with the same carrier - DHL. After 2.5 months in the mail, I now consider the iherb shipment officially lost. The Amazon shipment, on the other hand, I got two days before their estimated delivery date.
Do you see any gun boats with Amazon logo running interference on other incoming ships? Or maybe Amazon F16's blocking the arrival of competing carriers? I doubt it.

What I see an organized crime ring that demands payment every time some shipment comes onto Chilean shores. And those same mafia-like criminals gladly accept payment from Amazon, which Amazon makes the consumer pay, to make the shipment go through their warehouses faster. These criminals call themselves "customs agents." They are backed up by other thugs with guns. The gunman call themselves "PDI." They both claim to be part of a larger crime ring that claim to "protect" people, and call themselves "government."

Government takes a lot of money from people, so that they can dominate the first 18-25 years of everyone's life in government propaganda camps called "schools." They pound in the belief that without them, there would be chaos and violence. And after spending so much time under that propaganda in such a formative position in life, most people just believe the claims. And so they grudgingly surrender about half of their every working day, working not for themselves, but solely for the benefit of this crime ring. People actually believe the propaganda, even though their eyes tell them that most of the violence by far is perpetrated by the government mafia.

So maybe if there's some dirty dealing being done, which I don't doubt, we can pin the blame on the only organized crime rings that have the firepower necessary to pull off such a mighty swindle?
Wow, did the words 'conspiracy theory' rattle you up? I didn't expect any of that in response to my post. And it's not even a full moon :)

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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by Maker42 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:04 am

at46 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:49 pm

Wow, did the words 'conspiracy theory' rattle you up? I didn't expect any of that in response to my post. And it's not even a full moon :)
:D No, and nothing personal at46. I realize history is full of conspiracies, and our modern society has not grown beyond that.

I guess what "triggered" me was blaming a conspiracy on an enterprise that was obviously caused by (as usual) government. It's nothing personal. I just see this as an extremely common occurrence that has to be very clearly corrected wherever possible. I believe this is an extremely dangerous path. If statists can successfully shift the blame from government to the "free market," the solution is a more powerful and tyrannical government, which will be very bad for everybody.

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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by at46 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:23 am

My point is that mail worked fine in Chile till about 8-10 months ago - I haven't had a single item lost over four years, even though some took a couple of months to get here. Then around 8-10 months ago there was talk of Amazon coming to Chile (whatever that means) and suddenly right around that time mail delivery simply stopped. Out of six packages I only got one over this period. I thought they're throttling only Aliexpress as their obvious biggest competitor, but no, my experiment with iherb.com showed they're targeting everybody.

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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by Maker42 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:22 pm

at46, 2.5 months is nothing. If you review earlier posts in the thread, you see you have to wait at least 6 months before counting something as lost.

And just because Amazon has the money to bribe customs officials to the front of the line doesn't mean Amazon is blocking anything. It just means they're getting priority.

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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by HybridAmbassador » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:45 pm

There you go, Amazon getting priority. Good for recipient bunch, the more clout they got the better the delivery time..
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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by at46 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:40 pm

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:22 pm
at46, 2.5 months is nothing. If you review earlier posts in the thread, you see you have to wait at least 6 months before counting something as lost.

And just because Amazon has the money to bribe customs officials to the front of the line doesn't mean Amazon is blocking anything. It just means they're getting priority.
I'm talking from my own experience, which is that all my purchases over the 4 years prior to Amazon screwing up the Chilean postal system arrived safely within two to eight weeks.

In terms of ugly Chilean conspiracies, this one stands on par with the Haitian immigration, in my book.

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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by Maker42 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:45 pm

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:40 pm
I'm talking from my own experience, which is that all my purchases over the 4 years prior to Amazon screwing up the Chilean postal system arrived safely within two to eight weeks.

In terms of ugly Chilean conspiracies, this one stands on par with the Haitian immigration, in my book.
Yes, I agree. This is much worse than the unmitigated immigration. The Haitians are finding jobs now and beginning to fit in. Hurray.

But this screw up of customs is incredibly damaging to any business that relies on imported parts or products. I think this will cause the GDP to take a serious hit. Then what? Oh, yeah. Blame it on the "failure of the free market."

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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by at46 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:55 pm

Maker42 wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:45 pm
at46 wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:40 pm
I'm talking from my own experience, which is that all my purchases over the 4 years prior to Amazon screwing up the Chilean postal system arrived safely within two to eight weeks.

In terms of ugly Chilean conspiracies, this one stands on par with the Haitian immigration, in my book.
Yes, I agree. This is much worse than the unmitigated immigration. The Haitians are finding jobs now and beginning to fit in. Hurray.

But this screw up of customs is incredibly damaging to any business that relies on imported parts or products. I think this will cause the GDP to take a serious hit. Then what? Oh, yeah. Blame it on the "failure of the free market."
I'd give it at least five years before passing judgement on the success of the Haitian immigration.

The scary thought is what were the more evil options thrown on Bachelet's table if the unmitigated Haitian immigration was the least evil one?

Likewise with Amazon: what were the more evil options if destroying the national postal system and throttling all others was the least evil one?

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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:49 pm

Haitian conspiracy: what is the conspiracy when we all know two to three passenger jetloads each day, how many more overland (some with false docs), 365 days a year, beginning how many couple of years ago, with no scrutiny for these "tourists" vs. other immigrants form other countries, when neighboring Dominican Republic that used to have same visa free tourist priviledges got slapped overnight with a visa?
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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:12 am

To be contributive (though not concerning an encomienda but a carta), here is my recent experience with US registered mail to Chile.

Chile Correos tracking:
ENVIO ENTREGADO 05/02/2018 17:53 SUCURSAL SAN ANTONIO CENTENARIO

DISPONIBLE PARA RETIRAR EN SUCURSAL SAN ANTONIO CENTENARIO 31/01/2018 11:24 SUCURSAL SAN ANTONIO CENTENARIO

RECIBIDO EN OFICINA DE CORREOSCHILE 30/01/2018 16:06 SUCURSAL SAN ANTONIO CENTENARIO

DESPACHADO A OFICINA DE CORREOSCHILE 30/01/2018 14:26 SAN ANTONIO CDP 01

EN OFICINA DE TRANSITO 30/01/2018 9:21 SAN ANTONIO CDP 01

RECIBIDO EN OFICINA DE CORREOSCHILE 30/01/2018 9:21 SAN ANTONIO CDP 01

DESPACHADO A OFICINA DE CORREOSCHILE 30/01/2018 1:40 PLANTA VIÑA DEL MAR

DESPACHADO A OFICINA DE CORREOSCHILE 27/01/2018 15:31 CEN CENTRO TECNOLOGICO POSTAL

RECEPCION INTERNACIONAL POR CORREOSCHILE 27/01/2018 8:20 CEN CENTRO TECNOLOGICO POSTAL

ENVIO DESPACHADO AL PAIS DE DESTINO 09/01/2018 12:58 OFICINA INTERNACIONAL
USPS tracking:
Tracking History

February 5, 2018, 2:53 pm
Delivered
Your item was delivered in CHILE at 2:53 pm on February 5, 2018.

January 30, 2018, 11:26 am
Customs Clearance Processing Complete

January 27, 2018, 11:18 am
Customs Clearance Processing Complete

January 27, 2018, 5:20 am
Processed Through Facility

January 12, 2018, 9:56 am
Departed
SANTIAGO, CHILE

January 11, 2018, 3:25 pm
Departed
NEW YORK, UNITED STATES

January 11, 2018, 11:15 am
Arrived
NEW YORK, UNITED STATES

January 9, 2018, 12:58 pm
Processed Through Facility
ISC NEW YORK NY(USPS)

January 9, 2018, 12:56 pm
Arrived at Facility
ISC NEW YORK NY(USPS)

January 4, 2018, 9:33 pm
Departed USPS Facility
LOS ANGELES, CA 90009

January 4, 2018, 8:48 pm
Arrived at USPS Facility
LOS ANGELES, CA 90009

January 3, 2018, 4:21 pm
Departed USPS Facility
LOS ANGELES, CA 90052

January 2, 2018, 9:33 pm
Arrived at USPS Facility
LOS ANGELES, CA 90052

January 2, 2018, 9:18 am
USPS in possession of item
-------, CA 9----
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Re: International shipping unreliable

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:03 am

There is a much simpler explanation than conspiracy theories: Chileans have discovered the internet and are buying stuff directly from China these days, from Alibaba and Bangood and Fasttech (like I do)

So all those little China Post packets are clogging up a system that was never much good anyway....and I bet the government hasn't invested one peso to cope with this e-shopping avalanche.

But if you want a theory, consider this: Governments dont like seeing money going out the country, so they have no reason to improve an inefficient and run-down state enterprise - Correos de Chile - that would facilitate this cash outflow. So not a conspiracy, just neglect, intentional or otherwise. Its hard to tell the difference with this current administration.
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