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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by HybridAmbassador » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:02 pm

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Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:56 pm
Well we got the u.s. lecturing latin america about the dangers of china.

Haaaaaaaa!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

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You can't have it both ways trump.
Tillerson still thinks he is the head honcho of Exxon, pot calling kettle black!
ExxonMobil made illegal deals with Russia when secretary of State Rex Tillerson ran the company.

When Rex Tillerson ran ExxonMobil, he made his name making deals in Russia, which in turn made Donald Trump’s decision to appoint him as secretary of State contentious. Skepticism about Vladimir Putin’s authoritarian state and its connections to the highest levels of the Trump administration dogged his confirmation hearings.

Now, it turns out at least some of those Russia deals made while he was CEO broke US law. The sanctions cops at the US Treasury Department have levied a fine of $2 million (pdf) on ExxonMobil for violating sanctions put in place to punish Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

That fine is, of course, a tiny drop in the ocean of Exxon’s petroleum profits of $7.8 billion last year. The violations hinge on some awkward timing. The US issued an executive order in March 2014, forbidding “the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services” from someone on the sanctions list. Igor Sechin, a Putin crony who earned the moniker “Darth Vader” for his forbidding style, was added to that list in April. In May, ExxonMobil signed a series of agreements with Sechin, who was acting in his capacity as the president of Rosneft, the Russian state oil firm.

This was a no-no. The Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), which enforces sanctions, called the deal an “egregious case” that showed “reckless disregard” for US sanctions.

In a statement issued today, Exxon said the action is “fundamentally unfair,” and that it would file a legal challenge to overturn OFAC’s judgement.

Exxon said that the sanctions were aimed at Sechin’s personal wealth, not at Rosneft; it notes that a British oil company’s American CEO was allowed to attend board meetings with Sechin and that White House officials described the sanctions as an effort to target individuals, not companies. OFAC, on the other hand, said in its statement that it doesn’t recognize “an exception or carve-out for the professional conduct of designated or blocked persons,” and that the only thing that matters is the letter of the law.

OFAC also noted that “ExxonMobil’s senior-most executives knew of Sechin’s status as [a sanctioned individual] when they dealt in the blocked services of Sechin.” ExxonMobil’s senior-most executive at that time was Tillerson.

The next month, Tillerson was asked about sanctions by the Associated Press and said “there has been no impact on any of our business activities in Russia to this point, nor has there been any discernible impact on the relationship. The organizations continue to work business as usual.”

Rosneft was crucial to Exxon. In 2011, Exxon had begun working with the Russian firm in a $600 million deal to exploit Russian shale oil reserves. That represented an important gain in Exxon’s long-running battle to replenish its oil reserves, the key to the long-term survival of its business. The 2014 sanctions were a big obstacle to its success.

Three years later, during his confirmation hearing, Tillerson told senators that “to my knowledge, Exxon never directly lobbied against sanctions.” Politifact rated this statement “mostly false,” since Exxon had in fact paid a lobby group to lobby on the issue and Tillerson had spoken publicly of making Exxon’s opposition to sanctions known “at the highest levels.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Maker42 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:09 am

HybridAmbassador wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:02 pm
admin wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:56 pm
Well we got the u.s. lecturing latin america about the dangers of china.

Haaaaaaaa!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... e-comments

You can't have it both ways trump.
Tillerson still thinks he is the head honcho of Exxon, pot calling kettle black!
ExxonMobil made illegal deals with Russia when secretary of State Rex Tillerson ran the company.

When Rex Tillerson ran ExxonMobil, he made his name making deals in Russia, which in turn made Donald Trump’s decision to appoint him as secretary of State contentious. Skepticism about Vladimir Putin’s authoritarian state and its connections to the highest levels of the Trump administration dogged his confirmation hearings.
Look at this entire thing at a higher level. Tillerson goes to Russia and makes voluntary free market contracts with corporations in Russia. Then thugs dressed up as officials come in with guns and try to force Exxon to not sign or execute the contracts. The reason the thugs do not want the contracts is because Russia dared to challenge them when said thugs tried to covertly overthrow the government in Ukraine. So Tillerson gives the thugs the middle finger and does it anyway. So then the thugs want to steal money from Exxon as revenge for flipping them off.

And somehow Exxon and Tillerson are the bad guys? Uuuuhhhmm.. Why? Oh, because somehow said thugs represent the American people? Yeah. Not so much.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:49 am

Better to sell uranium to Russia than cut oil deals.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by HybridAmbassador » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:39 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:49 am
Better to sell uranium to Russia than cut oil deals.
And Putin to win the Russo election by the margin of 75% + that's his goal. To prove to the world that the Russian people wants respect and adores him by that number.Ha,ha,ha
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:57 am

Yea get ready for all kinds of last moment laws and give aways.

She already gave away notories to her soon to be unemployed political buddies.

After making a big show about crushing SQM, they tripled their lithium quota.

She snuck in signing fatca on her last exit from chile.

Bet we at least get an amenesty for all the haitiens.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Dosedmonkey » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:02 pm

Maker42 wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:09 am
HybridAmbassador wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:02 pm
admin wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:56 pm
Well we got the u.s. lecturing latin america about the dangers of china.

Haaaaaaaa!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... e-comments

You can't have it both ways trump.
Tillerson still thinks he is the head honcho of Exxon, pot calling kettle black!
ExxonMobil made illegal deals with Russia when secretary of State Rex Tillerson ran the company.

When Rex Tillerson ran ExxonMobil, he made his name making deals in Russia, which in turn made Donald Trump’s decision to appoint him as secretary of State contentious. Skepticism about Vladimir Putin’s authoritarian state and its connections to the highest levels of the Trump administration dogged his confirmation hearings.
Look at this entire thing at a higher level. Tillerson goes to Russia and makes voluntary free market contracts with corporations in Russia. Then thugs dressed up as officials come in with guns and try to force Exxon to not sign or execute the contracts. The reason the thugs do not want the contracts is because Russia dared to challenge them when said thugs tried to covertly overthrow the government in Ukraine. So Tillerson gives the thugs the middle finger and does it anyway. So then the thugs want to steal money from Exxon as revenge for flipping them off.

And somehow Exxon and Tillerson are the bad guys? Uuuuhhhmm.. Why? Oh, because somehow said thugs represent the American people? Yeah. Not so much.
Russia challenged someone trying to overthrow the government? Or perhaps the reality is the Ukrainens overthrowed the Russian puppet and Russian special forces invaded the east and Crimea in response... A lot of unarmed people got shot during the whole thing and it has effected many of my friends who are Ukrainian, so stick to the facts, like all the other Eastern European countries doing anti Russian covert infiltration operations.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Space Cat » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:29 am

Yeah, I kind of tired of arguing with people consuming Russian propaganda about an evil Western plot. I was living in Ukraine at that time and some of my friends were in touch with their friends participating in the resistance forces. At the peak of the conflict, thousands of volunteers were supplying the revolution with money, food, medicaments, and equipment.

Then the same people switched to volunteering to help rebuild the dysfunctional armed forces and defend the Eastern border. They literally bootstrapped the army. For example, many highly skilled (and highly paid) IT guys spent lots of time or even left their jobs to modernize the intelligence with drones and data mining.

Not everything is a conspiracy, there are countless natural forces pulling in different directions.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Dosedmonkey » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:29 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:29 am
Yeah, I kind of tired of arguing with people consuming Russian propaganda about an evil Western plot. I was living in Ukraine at that time and some of my friends were in touch with their friends participating in the resistance forces. At the peak of the conflict, thousands of volunteers were supplying the revolution with money, food, medicaments, and equipment.

Then the same people switched to volunteering to help rebuild the dysfunctional armed forces and defend the Eastern border. They literally bootstrapped the army. For example, many highly skilled (and highly paid) IT guys spent lots of time or even left their jobs to modernize the intelligence with drones and data mining.

Not everything is a conspiracy, there are countless natural forces pulling in different directions.
Quite a few British journalists and crew from Russia Today quit when they were told to just repeat lies with no sources on Ukraine after Crimea was invaded.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Maker42 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:04 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:29 am
Yeah, I kind of tired of arguing with people consuming Russian propaganda about an evil Western plot. I was living in Ukraine at that time and some of my friends were in touch with their friends participating in the resistance forces. At the peak of the conflict, thousands of volunteers were supplying the revolution with money, food, medicaments, and equipment.

Then the same people switched to volunteering to help rebuild the dysfunctional armed forces and defend the Eastern border. They literally bootstrapped the army. For example, many highly skilled (and highly paid) IT guys spent lots of time or even left their jobs to modernize the intelligence with drones and data mining.

Not everything is a conspiracy, there are countless natural forces pulling in different directions.
I think you picked out a minor supporting point while ignoring my main point, which is this: If Tillerson wants to hide his money from people who want to take it from him, HE is not the bad guy. The people who want to TAKE his money are the bad guys. It doesn't matter if they've named themselves rulers. Taking money or property from someone by force is theft.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by at46 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:16 pm

Dosedmonkey wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:29 pm
Quite a few British journalists and crew from Russia Today quit when they were told to just repeat lies with no sources on Ukraine after Crimea was invaded.
Those Brits surely found work in America, given how prized that British accent is in American MSM these days :).

And also, if you were a resident of the Crimea in 2014, I'm sure you would have voted to join Russia as well, just like 96.77% of the Crimea residents actually did :)

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:10 pm

at46 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:16 pm
Dosedmonkey wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:29 pm
Quite a few British journalists and crew from Russia Today quit when they were told to just repeat lies with no sources on Ukraine after Crimea was invaded.
Those Brits surely found work in America, given how prized that British accent is in American MSM these days :).

And also, if you were a resident of the Crimea in 2014, I'm sure you would have voted to join Russia as well, just like 96.77% of the Crimea residents actually did :)
Must have been expert Russian election meddlng as we all know they are responsible for Killery losing the imperial USA (BTW, the home of the NSA) election :alien:
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