The Pinera administration 2.0

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Space Cat » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:34 pm

Yep, can't see a problem with a court jester. He's much more beneficial for a healthy congress than all that "mi general!" crowd who thinks it's acceptable to wipe your ass with the constitution when things go the way the elites don't like.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:51 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:34 pm
Yep, can't see a problem with a court jester. He's much more beneficial for a healthy congress than all that "mi general!" crowd who thinks it's acceptable to wipe your ass with the constitution when things go the way the elites don't like.
Yeah, he's certainly a joke. Worth every peso.

Any specific examples of constitutional ass-wiping by the elites that caught your attention?
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by snobrd4life » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:43 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:47 pm
For Chilean parliamentarians, its only a part-time job as well. Even so, latecoming and absenteeism are quite common.

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Very interesting chart. The x and y axis are probably easily accessible statistics, but where do the daily average hours worked come from? Time actually spent in Congress chambers? Office? Drag racing on ruta 68?
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:05 pm

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Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:51 pm

You make valid points regarding this matter, and I never said it is OK did I?
My argument is whether this should be a matter for the annual "ideas for the nation" thing. You realize these type of discussions usually receives passionate opinions, much more than the other boring ideas that are of greater impact (on economy, public resources, health, education, private investment, etc), so ok, it's a valid point, but it could also be a good strategy not to discuss the real important projects (or lack of them), and in the end not to really do anything about this as well.
What do you think?
The important issues are discussed endlessly but nothing much ever happens. To give a trivial example, this is a country where parliament can't even agree to set a consistent local time standard, instead they whimsically tweak DST transition dates from year to year.

Just one "Health" issue example: during the government of Ricardo Lagos, Michelle Bachelet was being groomed as his successor, and was given high-level ministerial posts, including Minster for Defence and Health Minister.
In that last job, one of the major issues then (as now) were the huge delays in receiving medical attention, especially for serious illnesses. As a public challenge, Lagos gave her three months to fix the problem. When that time was up, Bachelet duly declared that she had achieved a 70% success rate, deploying a battery of mediatic effects to do so, at the same time offering her resignation for not fully achieving the target.

Anyone who has lived any length of time here knows that the state health system is structurally underfunded and there is no way that its problems, (which persist to this day) could be cured in three months. Knowing this was an impossible task, Lagos was actually testing Bachelet's ability to manipulate the media and public opinion, and of course she passed with flying colours. That's how cynical the pols are here, and shows the contempt they have for the masses.


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The only thing I clearly don't agree with you is regarding diputado "Florcita", I don't support or would vote for him, but I have no problem if people vote for him, the logic on such people mind is to vote for people that can make fun of institutions which ultimately answers to peoples fear of institutions having so much power that you cannot make fun of them.
Only the bizarre and hermetic nature of local-level party politics and cupos explains how this person was elected diputado with 2.7% of the votes cast, much less than any other of the candidates.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Space Cat » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:52 am

fraggle092 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:51 pm
Any specific examples of constitutional ass-wiping by the elites that caught your attention?
Any UDI or RN deputy or senator still supporting Pinochet or "Sí", JAK being the worst case.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by fraggle092 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:59 pm

snobrd4life wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:43 pm
Very interesting chart. The x and y axis are probably easily accessible statistics, but where do the daily average hours worked come from? Time actually spent in Congress chambers? Office? Drag racing on ruta 68?
More information here
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by fraggle092 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:05 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:52 am
fraggle092 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:51 pm
Any specific examples of constitutional ass-wiping by the elites that caught your attention?
Any UDI or RN deputy or senator still supporting Pinochet or "Sí", JAK being the worst case.
Like what specifically. Just name calling isn't an example.

Incidentally, these "ideological" issues are just smokescreens. There are decent individuals within all the parties. But there are an awful lot of sinvergüenzas as well. And those are the ones that set the tone of parliamentary "democracy" here.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by snobrd4life » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:24 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:59 pm
snobrd4life wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:43 pm
Very interesting chart. The x and y axis are probably easily accessible statistics, but where do the daily average hours worked come from? Time actually spent in Congress chambers? Office? Drag racing on ruta 68?
More information here
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Thanks for that. I feel like there could be a 5 minutes evening news story to be made out of the stats collected and presented by those 2 guys at Polidato. Unfortunately, the effect would cause conversation for a day or two and then be drowned out by the next superficial controversy. If only those stats were superimposed on the voting ballots next to incumbent candidates on election day would voters (ceremonial bosses of the diputados) actually be able to perform a clear performance review. There are some seriously shite stats there for some diputados.

On the other hand, the overlaps in commissions seem like they could be mitigated with a neutral scheduler centrally managing based on availability, not the diputado deciding to drop in and out as they feel. They make US$160 an hour regardless if they show up or not.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Space Cat » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:34 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:05 pm
Like what specifically. Just name calling isn't an example.

Incidentally, these "ideological" issues are just smokescreens. There are decent individuals within all the parties. But there are an awful lot of sinvergüenzas as well. And those are the ones that set the tone of parliamentary "democracy" here.
Specifically justifying or praising the dictatorship. That's enough for me to write a politician off. (Same for Maduro's cheerleaders in the congress, of course.)

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:19 pm

ohhhh, this is fun.

so pinera did not pay his property tax on his house near caburgua, nor did he have building permits, for 30 YEARS.

https://www.eldinamo.cl/nacional/2019/0 ... urgua/amp/

now that smells pretty politically motivated, because I can not think of a single similar case I have heard of a municipality going after such a rural property.

this is going to be quietly appealed, probably get tossed for statute of limitation reasons or at least dialed down to some sort of minor fine after he leaves office.

FYI, bachelete has a summer house next door to him up there. wonder if she is up to date on her taxes. :lol:
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:21 am

so had a chance to dig in to the pinera story a bit more.

seems the situation is that because he never completed his building permits, the city was claiming he owed 30 years of back taxes at the rate of a property with a house not an empty lot.

however, the statute of limitions is only 3 years. so looks like he has a few million in fines coming.

I know for a fact most of the houses on that lake do not have building permits. I have had a few clients over the years buy or try to buy houses there. none of the houses we looked at have had their building permits, and we don't even consider it a major show stopper to buying most properties because they are easily fixed.

it is really common in the rural south. like I would bet something over 50% of the structures in southern chile do not have building permits and /or are not properly registered with the Sii.

so that is just a bunch of political smoke.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by fraggle092 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:10 pm

Property taxes are only for little people....

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This article was published before the mega-fraud in Carabineros came to light.

As for Piñera, it wont do him much harm, he's notorious for dodgy dealing already, and he only did what many others do in that situation.
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