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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Mon May 20, 2019 9:45 am

my wife and i like to browse book stores when on vacation.

went in to a few in Argentina.

we were shocked by the "socialist" everything themes in them. the philosophy section is just filled with attempts by argentina author to recast famious, anyalitic philosophers as "socialist" or "marxist". long story.

but that is Philosophy. no big surprise there. but it is everywhere. i open a few architecture books, and there was some sort of socialist spin on all of them.

the economics section I see a section on "Argentina economics". i thought well that might be interesting. they don't mean like studies on the history of economics in Argentina (there were a few). they mean their own version of economics. like saying "argentinan math" or "Argentinean physics". guess gravity works diffrently on this side of the Andes.

The only books that actually made sense having a marxist subject matter, as you might find in a proper organization of any book store in the world, were books on Che Guevara. obviously, he was from Argentina.

chile has "socialist" and "communist" parties, but they are really kind of jack socialist. if you take their iphones away they will break down and start crying. in fact some of the richest people i know in chile are socialist. it is more of a code word for wanting fairer capitialism, not some bullshit fictional marxist paradise.

Argentina on the other hand has true believers, and a lot of them. old school marxist fanatics, and it is impressive just the breath and depth of them in society. it is not just a few left leaning politicians with some young idealist following them because they are too young to know better. They really think they can flip a marxist switch and fix everything that is wrong with Argentina's society.

It is kind of spookie really, and calls in question the long-term stability of Argentina. I am worried, in spite of just how bad the economy and corruption has been over the last 20 years, they still need to hit rock bottom to come to their senses as a society. I mean Venezuela type rock bottom. The only question is how long that will take.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by tiagoabner » Mon May 20, 2019 9:52 am

... And how much it will affect Chile.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Julito » Mon May 20, 2019 11:40 am

It only needs the US to impose sanctions on them and then sanction anybody who dares trade with them. That´ll take ém to rock bottom.... along with the rest of the neighborhood.

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Post by admin » Mon May 20, 2019 12:32 pm

tiagoabner wrote:
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... And how much it will affect Chile.
that is the other thing that struck me. the lack of chilean companies in BA. other than the fallabela that is in the process of closing their store here, there are almost none.

in contrast, peru, colombia, etc, there are chilean companies everywhere.

chile mostly pulled out a long time ago, and what companies are left like latam have all gotten their rears handed to them for staying too long.

which the whole thing is sad. chile / Argentina should have one of the most valuable free trade zones in the world between them.
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Post by admin » Mon May 20, 2019 12:35 pm

the other thing in BA is the number of homeless. i got up one morning early. grabbed a cup of coffee to go, and just walked around. like every block there was a guy or two sleeping on the street.

all the international organizations go on about chile's income inequality, but i dont recall ever seeing a guy sleeping on the sidewalk in Santiago next to a $200,000 limited edition Porsche.
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Post by Donnybrook » Mon May 20, 2019 1:26 pm

You really have to stay in a country a long time to have an overview of real change. Chile's story has been more the tortoise than the hare. One year spent in Chile in the lateish 60s (before permanent residence here) you would have seen plenty of homeless adults and children asleep on the street.They used to cluster as close as possible to the heat vents from buildings. There were no large organizations helping, just small ones fighting a losing battle. There may be inequality now but nothing like there used to be. Chile's demographics had much in common with Bolivia.

Argentina, a country I have had close ties to for decades, has always been the hare. "Look at me, I'm winning1" just before another stumble and the tortoise slowly pulls ahead. It is one of the last countries in the world I would want to live in.

The one things which was better here years ago was the availability of cheaper editions of books. Chileans were avid readers. I think a lot still are, certainly in Santiago. There are certainly a lot of bookstores. They must be selling something. But I don't think the country as a whole reads as much as it used to. As for Argentine bookshops, they can be very interesting for regional books outside of BA. I have found some very regional specific books in smaller places. But somehow literature in general got monopolized by more extreme left wing views, though there are plenty of wealthy marxists there as well. It is almost obligatory to be to the left in order to be considered an intellectual. Perhaps that is true everywhere and if you lean to the right you are an apologist.

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Post by Julito » Mon May 20, 2019 2:12 pm

..... like every block there was a guy or two sleeping on the street.
That sounds like just about every large city in the so called "developed" world. And they´re only the ones you can see. Add to those the hidden people living out of their cars, in tents, couch surfing with friends etc etc

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by 41southchile » Mon May 20, 2019 10:58 pm

Yeah I knew Piñera was never going to be the man and so does the rest of Chile , let's just hope he only bumbles along and doesnt screw up too badly as a placeholder until someone better comes along.
So I wonder then if the rest of the continent is so screwed , shouldnt that give Chile more of an incentive to give the middle finger to the 7 families (where are they going to run to?) and actually return to what classic liberalism is about , economic and personal freedoms , get the economy working...
There needs to be proper competition and regulations to not let companies get too big for their boots, dominating companies hinder not help.
Chile was supposed to have been the economic "miracle", with their neo liberal reforms , why then cant it be a modern miracle again and lead the world back to what proper capitalism should be? I.e not a bunch of the elite and politicos all scratching each others backs at the top while the masses all struggle along and are stuck in the treadmill? oh that's right, because there WAS a neo liberal "miracle" and lots of todays new middleclass drunk the Kool-aid and continue to think they are doing well under this system and anyone that tries to mention sensible ideas is accused of being a socialista etc . Fortunately theres still enough that can see there needs to be some structural changes to sort things out .
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Tue May 21, 2019 12:50 pm

yea recently it does seem the monopolies seem to be running wild, with very little attempts from the gov to rain them in or otherwise regulate them.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by tiagoabner » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:26 am

Thoughts on Piñera's 'state of the union' address from yesterday? I saw lots of promises and not enough plans on how to deliver.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:09 pm

did not catch the speech, but read some summaries this morning.

not sure about the other proposals, but trimming down the number od senators and congressmen seems like a good start. way too many congressmen getting paid way too much money for doing nothing usefull, given the size of chile's population.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:17 pm

i am also on board with them working out a national lithium mining policy. chile has been dropping the ball with stupid regulations, and giving up the lead to argentina and Australia when chile should be crushing both in lithium and other minerals related to EV. if chile misses this window of opportunity over the next couple years, it will never get it back.
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