The Pinera administration 2.0

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by mem » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:41 am

41southchile wrote:
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well that sounds like progress. it implies they are thinking about putting someone in prison in the first place.

there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of people running around this country with 30, 40, 70+ arrest for robbery and numerous other crimes, that have never seen much more than a few hours in jail.

I am not a fan of the "3 strikes your out", but i would settle for "30 strikes your out". chances are at arrest number 31, no one is making a mistake about what a complete piece shit you are and a leach on society.
Looks like they are doing something in a national round up the other day, 147 rounded up in Los Lagos region
https://www.soychile.cl/Puerto-Montt/So ... Lagos.aspx
Read that article, but I am still at a loss at what happened. From what I can tell the mayor of the los Lagos region worked with the police to arrest a bunch of people somewhere in the historic area of los lagos. It seemed to be a surprise raid and some of them were in irregular immigration status?

How did they do this? They just went to a town and started looking for people with outstanding arrest warrants? Or were they more focused on illegal immigrants? They just went door to door? Why are they focusing on Los lagos as a region versus the town or towns they actually arrested people?

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by at46 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:00 pm

Here in Concon there were a lot of foot/bike patrols and many auto check points for a few days.

Something interesting I noticed about the auto check points. I always wondered what happens if someone doesn't stop when carabineros order them to stop. I've never seen them trying to pursue anyone. So the other day I saw a plain clothes guy with a professional camera on a tripod filming the work of the carabineros from a distance at an angle that allowed to see the plates and the drivers of the vehicles being stopped. It was my aha moment for the day.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by 41southchile » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:19 pm

Seriously are these idiots for real ? https://www.soychile.cl/Copiapo/Socieda ... taria.aspx
Tax office workers protesting against tax reforms because they believe it will only benefit the rich, now I've seen it alll. Their job is to collect tax not dictate what tax policy should be. These washed up unionized socialist workers need to run as a politician if they want to have a say on tax policy, not strike because they disapprove of the proposals, who the hell do they think they are?
I can understand strikes about working conditions and the like , but this is a step to far , fire them all for not completing their jobs properly , if they strike solely because they oppose this governments tax reform they need to be fired.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Space Cat » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:24 pm

Has anybody checked the reform's draft? Does it really this bad in terms of not taxing corporations properly?

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by 41southchile » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:28 pm

mem wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:41 am
41southchile wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:46 pm
admin wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:18 am
well that sounds like progress. it implies they are thinking about putting someone in prison in the first place.

there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of people running around this country with 30, 40, 70+ arrest for robbery and numerous other crimes, that have never seen much more than a few hours in jail.

I am not a fan of the "3 strikes your out", but i would settle for "30 strikes your out". chances are at arrest number 31, no one is making a mistake about what a complete piece shit you are and a leach on society.
Looks like they are doing something in a national round up the other day, 147 rounded up in Los Lagos region
https://www.soychile.cl/Puerto-Montt/So ... Lagos.aspx
Read that article, but I am still at a loss at what happened. From what I can tell the mayor of the los Lagos region worked with the police to arrest a bunch of people somewhere in the historic area of los lagos. It seemed to be a surprise raid and some of them were in irregular immigration status?

How did they do this? They just went to a town and started looking for people with outstanding arrest warrants? Or were they more focused on illegal immigrants? They just went door to door? Why are they focusing on Los lagos as a region versus the town or towns they actually arrested people?
Yeah I often find those local news stories very poorly written I've even seen comments below saying how badly articles are phrased and structured.
I imagine they had last known addresses or tips ?(criminals are not that smart generally) The illegals just happened to be caught up in the search?
I imagine they are just getting orders down from the top to round up all these people, as admin says it's easy enough to round up it's what the judges will do, probably just let them back out .
I think it was a nationwide sweep not just Los Lagos I just linked that because it was in the local news.
The mayor or who ever he was, superintendent might have been? Probably just wanted a photo op to show they are serious on crime would be my guess.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Space Cat » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:49 pm

41southchile wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:07 am
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The senate just approved "Ley Transformación Digital del Estado".

All "tramites" go digital, no more paper exchange between government institutions or paper certificate requests from citizens.
Hah! There will be paperless bathrooms before there is a paperless government. Never happen.
😂 I agree.
The office was supposed to be paperless more than a decade ago, more paper than ever is used nowadays.
I see a popular school in Australia are going away from digital devices for learning, back to? ............books. wonder how many more will follow?
At least the applications for permanent residency will be processed online, starting this May:
https://digital.gob.cl/noticias/tramite ... nte-online

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by 41southchile » Sat May 18, 2019 12:45 am

So the title of this thread? Piñera 2.0 what do people think so far? In one word I would say , underwhelming .
Same old same old, of everything, the screw ups, the perception he is looking after his business buddies and families, the list is quite long, they maybe " tiempos mejores" but that wasnt hard after the last lot. Mediocre and the same old shit just a different year, is about all they are.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Space Cat » Sat May 18, 2019 12:40 pm

I'm ok with technocratic improvements like adding remote workers to the labour code and the digital stuff above. Going against ISAPREs is cool, adoption for single parents or same-sex couples is great (even if somebody is against it, think that the alternative is growing up in SENAME without any parents at all). I don't know how's the educational reform going (the one to create more professional colleges and make them free instead of uni's). The tax reform is still in progress.

Four ministries got decentralized on paper, not sure how it will work out. Lots of medium-sized cities like Valdivia and PM+PV were promised tram lines and I'm not seeing any progress in the news. As usual, all for Santiago: electric buses and new subway lines.

But yes, as you said before, they have no vision for the future of the country. Hustling here and there to make citizens happy enough to not drift further left while not annoying "los dueños de Chile" too much.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by fraggle092 » Sat May 18, 2019 4:29 pm

41southchile wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:45 am
Mediocre and the same old shit just a different year, is about all they are.
Did you expect any different?
The only consolation is that with president Guillier, things would have been worse, for sure.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Sat May 18, 2019 4:39 pm

well on the one hand i want to say pinera 2.0 sucks; but, I am in Buenos Aires where fernanda is running again for president.

So it could be worse. a lot lot worse. a visit to the otherside of the speed bump, helps me keep it all in perspective.

when your president is forced to keep running for office so they can keep their immunity, the country is fundamentally broken.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by PXYC » Sun May 19, 2019 10:08 pm

I usually feel that professionally one doesn't always find the best solution, but regardless, if your team tries to make it work, it will almost always work.
I have the same feeling for Chilean government: it's not good but as long as it doesn't have disruptive forces with enough strength to push in opposite sides, it will continue to work, more or less auto-managed.. :D

Some examples: Argentina has a socialist DNA and they are out of funds, but it's a yo-yo, they would return to their old socialist model if they could, even if they are nowhere near the productity ratios required for a socialist model nowadays. Then we have Brazil with its eternal race/class issues where the rich very honestly and loudly hate the poor, and the poor (less loudly) hate the rich, they will never be interested in progressing in the same direction.
As for Chile I just don't see these contradictions here, I mean yeah the poor might complaint and fight not to be so poor, but their "model" will never be radically different of the current status quo, and fortunately this "model" is quite friendly to foreign investment and corporations.

I think that excessive debt is the main risk for Chile, the new middle class comes out of university in debt and when they have leverage they start building more debt, this means there is more and more people ready to embrace a new model if their castle of debt ever crashes.. well but this is just my perception. I hope the government is not allowing banks non performant credit ratio to grow excessivly, you need to lose some to keep some.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Mon May 20, 2019 9:45 am

my wife and i like to browse book stores when on vacation.

went in to a few in Argentina.

we were shocked by the "socialist" everything themes in them. the philosophy section is just filled with attempts by argentina author to recast famious, anyalitic philosophers as "socialist" or "marxist". long story.

but that is Philosophy. no big surprise there. but it is everywhere. i open a few architecture books, and there was some sort of socialist spin on all of them.

the economics section I see a section on "Argentina economics". i thought well that might be interesting. they don't mean like studies on the history of economics in Argentina (there were a few). they mean their own version of economics. like saying "argentinan math" or "Argentinean physics". guess gravity works diffrently on this side of the Andes.

The only books that actually made sense having a marxist subject matter, as you might find in a proper organization of any book store in the world, were books on Che Guevara. obviously, he was from Argentina.

chile has "socialist" and "communist" parties, but they are really kind of jack socialist. if you take their iphones away they will break down and start crying. in fact some of the richest people i know in chile are socialist. it is more of a code word for wanting fairer capitialism, not some bullshit fictional marxist paradise.

Argentina on the other hand has true believers, and a lot of them. old school marxist fanatics, and it is impressive just the breath and depth of them in society. it is not just a few left leaning politicians with some young idealist following them because they are too young to know better. They really think they can flip a marxist switch and fix everything that is wrong with Argentina's society.

It is kind of spookie really, and calls in question the long-term stability of Argentina. I am worried, in spite of just how bad the economy and corruption has been over the last 20 years, they still need to hit rock bottom to come to their senses as a society. I mean Venezuela type rock bottom. The only question is how long that will take.
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