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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:38 am

yea, you mean the one that was supppse to be ready august 1st.

i'll keep bracing. probably for another 30 years.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:58 am

at least they are leaning the right way with that addition to providing some sort of objective standard to income.

right now, we have literaly had people that are millionares arbitrarily rejected by immigration as having insuficient means to support themselves (mostly due to lazy employees that never read the aplication).

i have for years been telling people that 500,000 pesos per month, per person in the household, as a safe number; exactly because department of immigration sort of makes a number up themselves depending on who is reading the aplication. now they are setting a minimum poverty line requirment.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:40 am

Space Cat wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:06 pm
A great overview of the current situation from The Economist:
Steering Chile away from the middle-income trap

If you are out of free Economist's articles, here's a copy.

Some quotes:
Growth has recovered partly because copper prices have. Potential growth—the economy’s capacity to grow without inflationary pressure—is only around 3%.
The workforce will shrink as the population ages unless more women, young people and immigrants join it. Productivity is “low and stagnant”, according to the OECD, a club of mostly rich countries. This holds back potential growth. Chile’s dream of becoming a fully developed economy thus looks elusive. Its biggest challenge “is to avoid falling into the middle-income trap”, says Rodrigo Aravena, the chief economist of Banco de Chile, a commercial bank.
Achieving that ambition will require advances on several fronts. Some will meet resistance; others will take years to produce results. The plans include a five-year concession programme, under which investors will spend nearly $15bn, about 6% of this year’s GDP, to build roads, airports and hospitals. The government itself will invest $8bn in the Araucanía region, Chile’s poorest. It wants to provide free nursery school for every child, which should bring more women into the labour force and raise productivity in the long run. Employers will pay into a fund for that. The government also plans to reduce regulation of business, which is more complex than in any other member of the OECD. More controversial is a scheme to make rules for employing students more flexible than for other workers.
Chile has no independent agency like Britain’s Office of Budget Responsibility to estimate revenues and spending, points out Eduardo Engel, a director of Espacio Público, a think-tank. The government missed an opportunity to set the tax on diesel at the same rate as that on petrol and has left open widely used loopholes.
If the tax reform does not pay for itself, the government will have less money to spend on more popular policies, like the investment in Araucanía. Mr Engel worries that the battle over tax reform will use up political capital needed to address the grievances of Chile’s middle class, especially crime, poor-quality health care and pension benefits they deem to be too low. Neither Mr Piñera nor his ministers have been astute political managers. The education minister suggested in July that schools should host bingo games to pay for repairs, a gaffe that led to his sacking.
larain (minister of economy) did not like that article in the economist either. he wrote a response to it:

https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 70940.html

it bugged me too. i have my own responce to it, i will post as soon as i get a chance.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Space Cat » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:41 pm

A right-wing government that goes for rehabilitation instead of demonizing offenders as irredeemable?
That's why I like Chilean political culture despite all its flaws.

Lanzan programa piloto de reinserción en recintos penales
https://www.ahoranoticias.cl/noticias/n ... pleos.html

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by at46 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:53 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:41 pm
A right-wing government that goes for rehabilitation instead of demonizing offenders as irredeemable?
That's why I like Chilean political culture despite all its flaws.

Lanzan programa piloto de reinserción en recintos penales
https://www.ahoranoticias.cl/noticias/n ... pleos.html
I'm sorry, but this actually smells like for profit private prison enterprise that they've been doing in the States for years now.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by 41southchile » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:09 pm

at46 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:53 pm
Space Cat wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:41 pm
A right-wing government that goes for rehabilitation instead of demonizing offenders as irredeemable?
That's why I like Chilean political culture despite all its flaws.

Lanzan programa piloto de reinserción en recintos penales
https://www.ahoranoticias.cl/noticias/n ... pleos.html
I'm sorry, but this actually smells like for profit private prison enterprise that they've been doing in the States for years now.
Yeah Serco has done such a great job in NZ that the government (a right wing conservative govt btw) had to take the management contract back off them after so many scandals a few years ago. If that's what it is , I would be very wary of for profit prisons here, other countries experiences have not been that great with them, to put it mildly.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:47 pm

Space Cat wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:41 pm
A right-wing government that goes for rehabilitation instead of demonizing offenders as irredeemable?
That's why I like Chilean political culture despite all its flaws.
Ever heard of buenismo ?
Its the way governments these days try to present themselves as caring and concerned via the largely uncritical media, while actually not making much more than token gestures.
Remember Camilla Vallejo's SENAME tears last year? That was the sum total of her efforts on that issue.
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Also they don't want to piss off the delinquent class by condemning criminal activity too strongly, they might just show their displeasure at the polls...and a vote's a vote, after all. Hence the talk about "rehabilitation" which is nothing new btw.

This government isn't right-wing either, actually it isn't any-wing at all.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by Space Cat » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:52 pm

The article mentions nothing like private prisons though. Similar reinsertion practices exist in EU countries and they work well.

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by at46 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:33 am

Space Cat wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:52 pm
The article mentions nothing like private prisons though. Similar reinsertion practices exist in EU countries and they work well.
una alianza público-privada, en la que las empresas comprometen empleos e instalan unidades productivas en las cárceles y puestos de trabajo fuera de ellas.
Translation: private companies will employ prisoners for peanuts and a promise of work once they're released. I don't know about EU, is that what they do there too?

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:18 am

well that sounds like progress. it implies they are thinking about putting someone in prison in the first place.

there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of people running around this country with 30, 40, 70+ arrest for robbery and numerous other crimes, that have never seen much more than a few hours in jail.

I am not a fan of the "3 strikes your out", but i would settle for "30 strikes your out". chances are at arrest number 31, no one is making a mistake about what a complete piece shit you are and a leach on society.
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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by at46 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:36 am

admin wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:18 am
well that sounds like progress. it implies they are thinking about putting someone in prison in the first place.

there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of people running around this country with 30, 40, 70+ arrest for robbery and numerous other crimes, that have never seen much more than a few hours in jail.

I am not a fan of the "3 strikes your out", but i would settle for "30 strikes your out". chances are at arrest number 31, no one is making a mistake about what a complete piece shit you are and a leach on society.
3 strikes you're out is good enough by me :) But in Canada one year maintenance cost per prisoner runs at 55K CAD. Who's going to pay that?

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Re: The Pinera administration 2.0

Post by admin » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:37 am

And it is not even ho hum low level warm fuzzy robberies that left like's to portrait as just poor people with no opportunities or choice trying to make a living to feed their families or some crap like that. They picked up a guy with 4 or 5 warrants in Puerto Montt last year. He has 97 arrests on his record. Among some of the more fun ones, robbery with a deadly weapon, rape, attempted murder, arms trafficking, drug trafficking, on and on. Not like they were having trouble finding the guy, he seems to have been in custody regularly.

The left gutted the criminal courts about 15+ years ago, and they never fixed them.
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