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Re: toll roads

Post by at46 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:26 pm

41southchile wrote:
at46 wrote:They should get the Chinese to build them a bullet train to Viña and a bunch of radial electric train lines out of Santiago to move people in and out of the smog bowl.
Hmm they might want to iron out all their problems first, been lots of issues in NZ and the UK I hear from Chinese trains. I think there are plans to have trains going out of Santiago towards Melipilla etc and of course the Rancagua express.
Yeah, I just read somewhere they had to lower their train speeds from 350 km/h to 300 km/h a couple of years ago due to some accidents, having to change all the schedules across the country etc. But now they're starting to bring it back up to 350 km/h, starting with the lines where they have more operational experience. That launched me into dream space of Viña/Santiago trips in half an hour.

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Re: toll roads

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:31 pm

41southchile wrote: I think there are plans to have trains going out of Santiago towards Melipilla etc and of course the Rancagua express.
Since the occasional Train de Recuerdo (Estacion Central to the mall in San Antonio) has been operational, yes there has been talk to do a more modern permanent one especially in conjuction with the Puerto de Gran Escala.
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Re: toll roads

Post by HybridAmbassador » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:48 pm

at46 wrote:
41southchile wrote:
at46 wrote:They should get the Chinese to build them a bullet train to Viña and a bunch of radial electric train lines out of Santiago to move people in and out of the smog bowl.
Hmm they might want to iron out all their problems first, been lots of issues in NZ and the UK I hear from Chinese trains. I think there are plans to have trains going out of Santiago towards Melipilla etc and of course the Rancagua express.
Yeah, I just read somewhere they had to lower their train speeds from 350 km/h to 300 km/h a couple of years ago due to some accidents, having to change all the schedules across the country etc. But now they're starting to bring it back up to 350 km/h, starting with the lines where they have more operational experience. That launched me into dream space of Viña/Santiago trips in half an hour.
at46, when the Chinese train project labour required, they will bring all manpower from China. Indonesia still waiting for contract given to the Chinese to build the fast trains but and its project suppose to start last year still no commencement of said train rail project going. The Chinese also suppose to build Brazil train project but went no where.
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Re: toll roads

Post by at46 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:53 pm

HybridAmbassador wrote:
at46 wrote:
41southchile wrote:
at46 wrote:They should get the Chinese to build them a bullet train to Viña and a bunch of radial electric train lines out of Santiago to move people in and out of the smog bowl.
Hmm they might want to iron out all their problems first, been lots of issues in NZ and the UK I hear from Chinese trains. I think there are plans to have trains going out of Santiago towards Melipilla etc and of course the Rancagua express.
Yeah, I just read somewhere they had to lower their train speeds from 350 km/h to 300 km/h a couple of years ago due to some accidents, having to change all the schedules across the country etc. But now they're starting to bring it back up to 350 km/h, starting with the lines where they have more operational experience. That launched me into dream space of Viña/Santiago trips in half an hour.
at46, when the Chinese train project labour required, they will bring all manpower from China. Indonesia still waiting for contract given to the Chinese to build the fast trains but and its project suppose to start last year still no commencement of said train rail project going. The Chinese also suppose to build Brazil train project but went no where.
They probably have so much work back home they don't really care collecting peanuts around the world. I read somewhere they have 22K km of bullet train lines already functioning and are planning to add another 15K km before 2025.

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Re: toll roads

Post by HybridAmbassador » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:36 pm

at46 wrote:
HybridAmbassador wrote:
at46 wrote:
41southchile wrote:
at46 wrote:They should get the Chinese to build them a bullet train to Viña and a bunch of radial electric train lines out of Santiago to move people in and out of the smog bowl.
Hmm they might want to iron out all their problems first, been lots of issues in NZ and the UK I hear from Chinese trains. I think there are plans to have trains going out of Santiago towards Melipilla etc and of course the Rancagua express.
Yeah, I just read somewhere they had to lower their train speeds from 350 km/h to 300 km/h a couple of years ago due to some accidents, having to change all the schedules across the country etc. But now they're starting to bring it back up to 350 km/h, starting with the lines where they have more operational experience. That launched me into dream space of Viña/Santiago trips in half an hour.
at46, when the Chinese train project labour required, they will bring all manpower from China. Indonesia still waiting for contract given to the Chinese to build the fast trains but and its project suppose to start last year still no commencement of said train rail project going. The Chinese also suppose to build Brazil train project but went no where.
They probably have so much work back home they don't really care collecting peanuts around the world. I read somewhere they have 22K km of bullet train lines already functioning and are planning to add another 15K km before 2025.
Yeah, but all those added rails will be by 2025 absolute. The technology will be heading towards MAGLEV propulsion.
So the current rails will be not be useful. But if 350km/hour be adequate for passenger moving then adding more rail could be acceptable.

Elon Musk's for US only, the hyper loop tubed train or then Japan rails MagLev trains more appropriate than current HTS of China ( a copy of Japan/Germany tech ) or the Hyper loop/MagLev..
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/132405- ... -explained
Japan Rail MagLev trains, will be operational by 2025~2028.( It got be operational before I go up Heaven or Inferno..!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/21/asia/japa ... index.html
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Re: toll roads

Post by at46 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:02 pm

HybridAmbassador wrote: Yeah, but all those added rails will be by 2025 absolute. The technology will be heading towards MAGLEV propulsion.
So the current rails will be not be useful. But if 350km/hour be adequate for passenger moving then adding more rail could be acceptable.

Elon Musk's for US only, the hyper loop tubed train or then Japan rails MagLev trains more appropriate than current HTS of China ( a copy of Japan/Germany tech ) or the Hyper loop/MagLev..
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/132405- ... -explained
Japan Rail MagLev trains, will be operational by 2025~2028.( It got be operational before I go up Heaven or Inferno..!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/21/asia/japa ... index.html
https://www.thenational.ae/business/jap ... ns-1.86709
Hey, don't mention Maglev too often lest the Chinese steal that from you too :)

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Re: toll roads

Post by HybridAmbassador » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:22 pm

at46 wrote:
HybridAmbassador wrote: Yeah, but all those added rails will be by 2025 absolute. The technology will be heading towards MAGLEV propulsion.
So the current rails will be not be useful. But if 350km/hour be adequate for passenger moving then adding more rail could be acceptable.

Elon Musk's for US only, the hyper loop tubed train or then Japan rails MagLev trains more appropriate than current HTS of China ( a copy of Japan/Germany tech ) or the Hyper loop/MagLev..
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/132405- ... -explained
Japan Rail MagLev trains, will be operational by 2025~2028.( It got be operational before I go up Heaven or Inferno..!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/21/asia/japa ... index.html
https://www.thenational.ae/business/jap ... ns-1.86709
Hey, don't mention Maglev too often lest the Chinese steal that from you too :)
It only requires one time offense .. They can go to the Germans and pay for the tech, Japan does not wanting to help China modernize their technology. Japan and Germany went in to build its first HST there in China, the accord was that, they do not copy manufacture any component for the HST trains but work jointly respectively for the projects, either with Japan's Hitachi~Toshiba engineering or to work with Germany's Seamen corp. We, Japan and Germany were fooled by the Chinese communist party. We can perhaps in the future, if any China built HST project in the democratic countries to deploy and be materialized, then perhaps we can catch those stolen technology and ask PRC er, Xi Jing Pin to cough up the free ride they being enjoying for decades..Then but by that time, all the advanced nations and the rest of democratic countries already duped by China, they always say, hey 1.4 billion people can buy lots from your countries..? EU products going to China? Perhaps the agriculture produce from France~Spain~etc. And the Salmons of Norway going to Chinese bellies, also do not forget the meat products from AU and their LPG...Was talking to a friend expatriated there in Melbourne, the AU gas and electricity price already at sky-high prices. Fearsome, the Chinese with their expansion rate, will need to find another Earth size mass to get them all for the soon to be, master of the universe..! at46, are you taking Chinese language class already? How soon are you moving out to China? Ha,ha,haaa..I will be long be gone to re-visit history by the time, the new Genghis Khan er, The people's republic of China, has all the world under the supreme yellow race...‘One Belt and One Road’: Connecting China and the world, using your money...
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In 2013, China’s president, Xi Jinping, proposed establishing a modern equivalent, creating a network of railways, roads, pipelines, and utility grids that would link China and Central Asia, West Asia, and parts of South Asia. This initiative, One Belt and One Road (OBOR), comprises more than physical connections. It aims to create the world’s largest platform for economic cooperation, including policy coordination, trade and financing collaboration, and social and cultural cooperation. Through open discussion, OBOR can create benefits for everyone.

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Re: toll roads

Post by hogey74 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:13 pm

Great forum thanks - excellent info for my upcoming visit. Some pretty wild comments though. The petrol is cheaper than the global average and the tolls are much cheaper than in the developed countries that have them. Coming from Australia, the costs are reasonable and it's good to hear this. To the upset US commenter: mate, calm down. You've gotten used to very low taxes and fuel prices and as a result your country is in a massive hole with crumbling infrastructure and a national debt that keeps growing. I know you're not alone in your attitude and I fear for the future of the US when people are used to not paying proper prices for stuff.

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Re: toll roads

Post by admin » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:26 pm

hogey74 wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:13 pm
Great forum thanks - excellent info for my upcoming visit. Some pretty wild comments though. The petrol is cheaper than the global average and the tolls are much cheaper than in the developed countries that have them. Coming from Australia, the costs are reasonable and it's good to hear this. To the upset US commenter: mate, calm down. You've gotten used to very low taxes and fuel prices and as a result your country is in a massive hole with crumbling infrastructure and a national debt that keeps growing. I know you're not alone in your attitude and I fear for the future of the US when people are used to not paying proper prices for stuff.
i like that.

even worse, last time i was on a chicago toll road it was still pretty shit.

then also, that was like 25 years ago. they are probably way worse now.

perhaps trump will make america's pot holes great again.
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Re: toll roads

Post by 41southchile » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:36 am

They are supposed to be getting rid of manual toll booths apparantly, can't come soon enough, nothing worse than having to sit and wait when there is only one booth open in the mornings, (most probably because someone hasn't shown up for their shift) kind of negates any time savings made on the highway .

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