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Post by admin » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:34 am

I think there is also a general misunderstanding among the public of what 'hacking' means. Rarely does hacking involve taking full control of system, or at least that is much harder to do. For example, taking over all of ship's systems and say driving it in to the beach is a lot of work, without someone noticing.

The most common, devastating, and easiest hacks, are simply making a system fail to do it's job. In this case, we have a system that failed. I guess broadly you could call them "denial of service attacks", but even then people think of web sites being overwhelmed with data or something similar. They are often just breaking something simple, so the whole system fails. Burning out a servo on the steering system. Killing a sensor. Reversing the running lights. something stupidly simple, but mission critical, that no one thought to defend.

My all time favorite was a bunch of security experts were called to testify in front of congress regarding the possibility of voter machines being hacked. One was asked by congressman how he would hack the voter machine that was setup in the room. He got up from the table, walked over to the machine, and unplugged it.
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Post by thisisreallycomplicated » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:19 pm

"Was USS John McCain Collision a Cyber Attack?=> Over 1 Million Counterfeit Parts From China Found in US Military Equipment"
"A senate investigation in 2012 found over one million counterfeit parts used in the US military."
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08 ... equipment/

That was back in 2012, so all the plumbing should be failing right about now.
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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:30 pm

I think we need another whistleblower. Maybe via Snowden (very quiet lately hmmm...) or Assange to leak the deal. Office of Naval Intelligence must have some clue.
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Post by thisisreallycomplicated » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:13 pm

bert.douglas wrote:I am not saying that the ships are not hackable. Probably they are already hacked. But this type of hack is something that you can only use once.
Assuming it was a hack, it's already been used at least twice. And if/when they figure out how it works, it could take a long time to fix, leaving an awful lot of ships, etc. vulnerable in the meantime.
bert.douglas wrote:Nobody would waste it just to embarrass the Navy.
2 disabled destroyers and a bunch of dead sailors, is more than embarrassing
bert.douglas wrote:Instead they would save it for wartime.
This is wartime
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Post by admin » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:34 pm

I don't know about that. The head of the 7th fleet got the boot. It was stated goal of China and if that was the objective, it seems to have worked.

Putting down 4 missile launchers, admiral, a bunch of experienced captains and officers, killing a bunch of sailors, sure seems like a successful use of a hack.

Especially if the overall strategic objective was to cripple the U.S. ability to launch an attack on North Korea at this time.

Do you really think the U.S. is going to go ahead with a decapitation attack right now, unless absolutely forced to (e.g. N.korea took a pot shot at Guam or launched something at the U.S.), while there is such chaos in the pacific fleet?

No, they are going to delay, until they sort out whatever the problem is. It definitely gave pause to the Pentagon planners, because it is functionally equivalent to a mini-pearl harbor.
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Post by nwdiver » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:53 am

admin wrote:I don't know about that. The head of the 7th fleet got the boot. It was stated goal of China and if that was the objective, it seems to have worked.

Putting down 4 missile launchers, admiral, a bunch of experienced captains and officers, killing a bunch of sailors, sure seems like a successful use of a hack.

Especially if the overall strategic objective was to cripple the U.S. ability to launch an attack on North Korea at this time.

Do you really think the U.S. is going to go ahead with a decapitation attack right now, unless absolutely forced to (e.g. N.korea took a pot shot at Guam or launched something at the U.S.), while there is such chaos in the pacific fleet?

No, they are going to delay, until they sort out whatever the problem is. It definitely gave pause to the Pentagon planners, because it is functionally equivalent to a mini-pearl harbor.

If they launch an attack, it will be the boomers in the sub fleet........I'm sure several are in the area, they do not need surface ships.......decapitate and shake hands with the Chinese at their border........
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