Chile 2017 Presidential Election

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Space Cat » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:07 pm

Okay, now Piñera is not only the most popular candidate but also perceived as the most confident and honest compared to the alternatives:
http://www.elmostrador.cl/noticias/pais ... scenarios/

Here's the full report by CEP:
https://www.cepchile.cl/cep/site/artic/ ... go2017.pdf

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:12 am

So i see pinera is pushing a program for not only his election, but the "better congress" also. Which kind of meaningless for him to elected and still have all the litle leftys holding up the legistlative show.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by bobserb » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:47 am

Chile's president forgets to sign name at voting booth, leaves behind ID.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-chile ... SKCN12N0O7

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:21 pm

so, the election is now in full swing. Of course it is fairly nasty back and forth, and Bachelet is sticking her nose in openly against Pinera (I think she wants him to get a elected).

Then we have the president of the stock market that came out and put his foot in his mouth about what would happen if Pinera did not win.
https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 20859.html

Idiot, we all know the chilean stock market would take a major whipper (rock climbing term, for especially hard fall on a rope) if pinera is not elected, but your not suppose to say it out loud. It is the ten trillion peso gorrilla in the corner, no one wants to poke at.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Britkid » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:51 pm

The fact that the economy would suffer a bit if a lefty gov gets in is not necessarily a reason to vote right.

Right wing gov might be more likely to do well for the economy by ignoring social justice and environmental and other ethical concerns. There are any number of ways to save money.

Giving good health care and education to the poor is not going to be good to the economy in the short term, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

That being said, the left wing gov won't do a huge amount better if they don't raise taxes by a large amount.

According to the BBC, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41550526
Pinera is already the President - scroll down to caption on third photo
The BBC could also not be bothered to do a n yay (ñ)
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Space Cat » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:03 pm

The problem with these lefties is not leftiness, I'd vote for some Scandinavian-like center-left party and candidate any day.

It is their lack of understanding of the modern world that is required to implement social programs without breaking everything else. Not to mention the waste (theft?) of the public money by growing the ineffective parts of the public sector instead of optimizing them.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:09 am

That is my major problem with the left in chile. Their total inability to balance the books.

Im willing to pay more tax, if i am seeing a coresponding economy with opertunities (or at least dont kill the economy in the process). 1920's marxist style economics is not going to get the job done in 2017. It did not work then, and it wont work now.

The sad thing is, that a developing economy that is not growing, is an economy going backwards. Development takes a certain sustained momentum. Once you interupt that momentum, it is expensive and difficult to get it back. It is why the chinese freak out any time their gdp dips a bit.

Pissing money in to public social programs that do nothing for the people that their suppose to help, i cant get on board with. Chile going in to debt to develope, with a bit of economic balance, im all for.

I think problem with left in chile is grossly lacks the techinical proffesionals to make their agenda work, almost by definition because no one with any education or experience would join the political and economic suicide pack the far left wants them to sign up for. There are no experts left on the left.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:39 pm

Strange how hardly anyone has mentioned Juan Antonio Kast. He is a right-wing independent with stated principles, and while he doesn't stand a chance in the forthcoming elections, encouraging results in the first round will definitely help his chances in 2021, (or 2023 if the 6-year presidential term is restored) A significant Kast vote sends a signal to the political parties, all of them, that the country is sick and tired of their behaviour.

Some of the more analytical middle-of-the road voters have stated their intentions to vote tactically for Kast in the first round, then Piñera in the second. Piñera Presidente is the least-worst option in these elections, but the Bachelet government has done all it can to ensure that this presidential term will be even more difficult than his last one.

So unless Piñera has learned some lessons since then, we can expect to see a similar level of the orchestrated disruption that characterized his last government, if not worse. Since he has no actual principles apart from personal success, he will continue to accommodate militant left-wing pressure groups, thus perpetuate the downward spiral in governance that we have seen here during the past few years.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:00 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:39 pm
Strange how hardly anyone has mentioned Juan Antonio Kast. He is a right-wing independent with stated principles, and while he doesn't stand a chance in the forthcoming elections, encouraging results in the first round will definitely help his chances in 2021, (or 2023 if the 6-year presidential term is restored) A significant Kast vote sends a signal to the political parties, all of them, that the country is sick and tired of their behaviour.

Some of the more analytical middle-of-the road voters have stated their intentions to vote tactically for Kast in the first round, then Piñera in the second. Piñera Presidente is the least-worst option in these elections, but the Bachelet government has done all it can to ensure that this presidential term will be even more difficult than his last one.

So unless Piñera has learned some lessons since then, we can expect to see a similar level of the orchestrated disruption that characterized his last government, if not worse. Since he has no actual principles apart from personal success, he will continue to accommodate militant left-wing pressure groups, thus perpetuate the downward spiral in governance that we have seen here during the past few years.
Interesting analysis and strategy. BTW, for the individual citizen's defense against the flaite delinquents running loose and doing home invasions, Kast is openly pro-gun for home defense.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:54 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:00 pm
BTW, for the individual citizen's defense against the flaite delinquents running loose and doing home invasions, Kast is openly pro-gun for home defense.
It shouldn't be necessary for the general public to start arming themselves in self-defence, and it was never needed in the past, but given the continuing rise in crimes of all sorts, especially violent ones committed by under-18s taking advantage of their legal impunity, and the failure of the Police and the Justice system to actually do anything to correct the situation, I can't blame people for wanting to protect themselves, their businesses and their families. But a lot of people are not emotionally stable enough to be trusted with firearms, that's the problem.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:37 pm

Well, in the home stretch to the presidential election. 19th of November.

Pinera, for the most part, seems to be keeping his head down and his mouth shut. If he attacks anyone, it is the Bachelet administration. They make a good proxy, without needing to directly attack any of the canidates on the left. Anything he says about the current administration, basically sticks to the canidates on the left.

For her part, Bachelet is fighting back. She is using the government money to push for a go vote campaign. Pinera and associates are crying fowl, because they did not do that for the primaries. Obviously, the less people show up overall, the easier it is for Pinera to win, because the right is more disciplined (and pissed).

Although, Bachelet has been doing a pretty impressive job of stumping for Pinera. She insulted a conference of buisness leaders. She insulted pretty much all the evangaliticos in the country. She has insulted everyone's intelligence.

Pinera really needs Kast to suck it up, and drop out before the election. Although he is sort of useful spoil. He keeps the total right wing label from sticking to Pinera, that just needs to point to his right and say, "it could be worse".

Meanwhile, the teletubies on the left are now all turning on each other. They know attacking Pinera is of no use, but knocking the other left candidates out would be the only way to hang in for a second round with pinera.

Interesting statement I seen go by the other day in a headline. Not sure how true it is, or even understand the history involved. Someone said the Christian Democrat party (the traditional center left) party, was created as a contrast to the Socialist Party; not, as I had understood, a to be a primary opposition to the dictatorship. The socialist party was far, far too left for the majority of Chileans to get on board with.

Well, I bring that up, because that seems to be what is happening now. Various scandals are breaking regarding Socialist mayors, being involved with narcotrafficers to pad the votes. Which, the pinera and the right seems to be able to make stick to all the candidates on the left, just by mentioning their name. At least the news organizations sure seem willing to run with that one. In other words, the more the left he can push the candidates on the center-left, regardless if their platform is over that direction, the harder it is for them to keep a grip on that center left. You have the DC now, cannibalizing what is left with various orders about how everyone must vote; which is not going over well. Basically the center left, is being cannibalized by the far left; which, ultimately I think will just push those on the fence towards Pinera.

At this point, I don't think Pinera will take it in the first round, unless everyone in the center sort of throws up their hands and says, 'he will win anyway' and votes for him. There is some sort of push forming, around the whole idea of trying to do a shut-out win this round, simply as to not waist the countries time on a second round. Not sure that is good for the country.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:42 am

Just too funny. I am trying to find a good article on it, because it was on TV.

Seems the communist party owns a piece of property (yea, I know that in of itself is head shaker).

Well, guess what? A bunch of families are squatting on it.

so they are suing the families to evict them and get the property back.
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