Chile 2017 Presidential Election

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:13 pm

The only recent credit I can give Bachi-shit is her participation as the only South American attnedee at a One Belt One Road meeting somewhere in Asia where she claimed she wanted Chile to be the South American overseas connection to that vision.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:23 pm

Yea that is a double edge sword.

How does the saying go? If the chinese army was ordered to take a beach, they would do it one grain of sand at a time.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by at46 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:22 pm

Interesting poll results: 57% of Chileans polled now consider US power and influence as the major threat to their country. That's an increase of 34% from 2013 to 2017 (good job, Bachelet). The only country in the world where people's attitude to the US deteriorated even more than in Chile was Spain.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Andres » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:29 pm

Actually, it demonstrates wisdom.
It probably has nothing to do with Bachelet.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:45 pm

Yep, the Chilean rabble is quite distrusting of nearly all conventional power structures these days whether based on truth or ignorance.

I for one am glad to have a front row seat and will participate as needed...
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:34 pm

I think a lot of the perception of the U.S. as a threat, comes down to the flaky schizophrenia of the Trump administration.

Especially the whole immigration thing. 90% of Chileans experience with the U.S., begins and ends in Florida. Either they went to Florida, or they want to go to Florida on Vacation. Now, after spending millions to comply with all sorts of bullshit conditions to get in to the visa waiver program (passport updates, chips in everything), they got Chile under review.

That, and a on again off again, trade policies. The U.S. just spent what like 10 years ramming all the provisions of the TPP down the thoat of any country that wanted to get in to it. Chile, swallowed the bad stuff to get at the good stuff, then the U.S. pulls out of it. Hey, anti-browny points to Pinera for saying that there was nothing in the TPP for Chile, years ago.

Not exactly reassuring that the U.S. can be trusted. If Chile follows the U.S. lead on some international issue, and Chile always could be counted on to be a U.S. foreign policy lap dog (especially the Bachelet administration), will they flake out and reverse next week leaving Chile on their own swinging in the breeze?

So, why bother spending years, millions of dollars, pissing off other potential allies and trade partners, just to be left holding the bag by the U.S.?

Way to go Trump. That was 200 years of foreign policy and good will with Chile down the drain.

The irony is, in Latin America, the U.S. needs Chile more than Chile needs the U.S. We all know that Chile is one of the few countries in Latin America, with a large portion of the population that actually likes the U.S. and thinks well of the U.S. The rest of latin america, only sort of likes the U.S. when it politically or financially suits them, and a large portion of their populations outright dislikes the U.S. because they have always propped up the worse sorts of governments in their countries. Chile is one of the few countries in Latin America, where over dinner as I am criticizing the U.S., locals will speak up and actively try to defend the U.S. (and that is not a native Chilean cultural trait, on any subject; the U.S. State department sold them on that propaganda).
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:38 pm

I also think there is definitely a bit of punishment by the U.S. towards the Bachelet administration for being such a bunch of Hillary Clinton fans, mixed with I am sure a rather shallow understanding by the Trump administration of bachelet's tendency to implement socialist policies. They probably just view her as the Bernie of Chile.

That is, in so far as they give a thought to Chile at all, let alone the rest of Latin America.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:48 pm

You know, that is probably the biggest threat to Chile (and the U.S. in the big picture of all the U.S. allies). When the U.S. proposes something, and a country jumps on board to support the U.S. only because it is the U.S., disregarding often their own interests, then the U.S. pulls out, it is whatever country that supported the U.S. that has to pay the foreign policy consequences. The TPP, the paris climate accord, Nafta, the visa waiver program, etc

The U.S. is crying foreign policy wolf. Well, it is going to be a very long time before countries, and politicians, around the World are going to be willing stick their neck out for the U.S., after being burned so bad. In a true international crisis, the U.S. really could find itself going it alone.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:12 pm

admin wrote:I think a lot of the perception of the U.S. as a threat, comes down to the flaky schizophrenia of the Trump administration.

Especially the whole immigration thing. 90% of Chileans experience with the U.S., begins and ends in Florida. Either they went to Florida, or they want to go to Florida on Vacation. Now, after spending millions to comply with all sorts of bullshit conditions to get in to the visa waiver program (passport updates, chips in everything), they got Chile under review.

That, and a on again off again, trade policies. The U.S. just spent what like 10 years ramming all the provisions of the TPP down the thoat of any country that wanted to get in to it. Chile, swallowed the bad stuff to get at the good stuff, then the U.S. pulls out of it. Hey, anti-browny points to Pinera for saying that there was nothing in the TPP for Chile, years ago.

Not exactly reassuring that the U.S. can be trusted. If Chile follows the U.S. lead on some international issue, and Chile always could be counted on to be a U.S. foreign policy lap dog (especially the Bachelet administration), will they flake out and reverse next week leaving Chile on their own swinging in the breeze?

So, why bother spending years, millions of dollars, pissing off other potential allies and trade partners, just to be left holding the bag by the U.S.?

Way to go Trump. That was 200 years of foreign policy and good will with Chile down the drain.
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admin wrote: Chile is one of the few countries in Latin America, where over dinner as I am criticizing the U.S., locals will speak up and actively try to defend the U.S. (and that is not a native Chilean cultural trait, on any subject; the U.S. State department sold them on that propaganda).
or more likely CNN Español.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Andres » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:14 pm

admin wrote:I think a lot of the perception of the U.S. as a threat, comes down to the flaky schizophrenia of the Trump administration.
Or is it because it is becoming more and more clear, even to those that are not usually cynical about the US government, that the US government is probably more responsible for the creation and expansion of al-Qaeda and ISIS than anyone else?
Way to go Trump. That was 200 years of foreign policy and good will with Chile down the drain.

Do they not know about the General Schneider assassination and "9/11" (1973)?
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by at46 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:28 am

admin wrote:I think a lot of the perception of the U.S. as a threat, comes down to the flaky schizophrenia of the Trump administration.
The poll covers the period from 2013 to now. So it's quite obviously not Trump.

I actually had an impression that the visa waiver gave a huge boost to the US perception in Chile while the subsequent review/revision was due to the mishandling of immigration by the Bachelet government.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:06 am

Hey, a whole 1.4% growth.
https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 83007.html

Check the graphic at the bottom.
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