Chile 2017 Presidential Election

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Space Cat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:59 am

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The biggest problem, and I am sure it is a fairly subtle and complex economic issue for most people to grasp but they are perhaps aware of it on some level, is that when Bachelet says, "I am not interested in economic growth, unless we have equality", it is the same thing as saying, 'I want to make the rich, richer'. Because when a developing economy quits growing, even for a little while, guess who are the winners and who are the loosers?
One more problem is that people who are not ideologically obsessed do not think in terms of "inequality", so her claims don't resonate with voters. Here's the chart from the latest CEP research: sueldos 27%, desigualidad 11% – the same idea but different wording.
ineq.png
Piñera's campaign team understands it all extremely well. So many of his talks and his program parts are basically "MONEY MONEY YOU WILL HAVE MORE MONEY" while left candidates go with some obscure concepts of equality and human rights.

It's like they haven't checked the last US elections where money promises won. They always win, they even start wars and revolutions.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

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"it's the economy stupid!!!"
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:57 am

Space Cat wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:59 am
admin wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:37 am
The biggest problem, and I am sure it is a fairly subtle and complex economic issue for most people to grasp but they are perhaps aware of it on some level, is that when Bachelet says, "I am not interested in economic growth, unless we have equality", it is the same thing as saying, 'I want to make the rich, richer'. Because when a developing economy quits growing, even for a little while, guess who are the winners and who are the loosers?
One more problem is that people who are not ideologically obsessed do not think in terms of "inequality", so her claims don't resonate with voters. Here's the chart from the latest CEP research: sueldos 27%, desigualidad 11% – the same idea but different wording.

ineq.png

Piñera's campaign team understands it all extremely well. So many of his talks and his program parts are basically "MONEY MONEY YOU WILL HAVE MORE MONEY" while left candidates go with some obscure concepts of equality and human rights.

It's like they haven't checked the last US elections where money promises won. They always win, they even start wars and revolutions.
yea, you can pretty much circle all those topics, under various categories, and the vast majority of the most important ones fall under something related the state of the economy and/or dependent on the state of the economy.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Britkid » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:45 pm

My hairdresser (working/lower class) says she is a self starter, she doesn't need handouts, that she likes what the left stands for in theory but doesn't like handouts for votes and doesn't think the left deliver what they promise, and mentioned corruption. She is voting Piñera. My little bubble of this forum and friends and family and other bits and pieces like this hairdresser tells me Piñera wins, but sometimes you are living in a bubble. Actual poll numbers are perhaps close (once it goes to a second round).
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by fraggle092 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:28 pm

Bachelet was elected last time by the 26% of the voting population, (62% of the 42% turnout) of which I would guess that around 20% are dedicated socialists, the same ones that have maintained her monthly approval ratings in the low 20s ever since.

Most people expected her to win with a rehash of her previous popular moderate administration, didn't pay much attention to her vague statements, and didn't bother voting. As we know now, Bachelet Rev. 2 had much more radical ideas, (the results of some of her reforms have yet to be felt btw), but the effects in general have not been good, and have been felt by a large part of the population.

So this time I'm sure abstention will be a lot lower. I personally haven't heard anybody saying that they will vote for anyone other than Piñera.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:45 pm

And here comes the 'stuffing the silverware in your pocket as dinner is ending' phase of the bachelet administration. Just like the last time.


http://www.latercera.com/noticia/minist ... no-retiro/
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:09 pm

By way, if you are concerned about being an echo chamber, read the comments under articles in sites like the one posted above. The pro-pinera / anti-left comments have exploded.

Pinera might take it in the first round, just due to building momemtum.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Britkid » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:52 pm

Lots of posters and billboards or whatever going up now. Lots on TV as well by this point. A lot of it is very vague. I'm hearing a lot of politicians saying vague things, like "let's make Chile great again, a country we can be proud of." Not so much actual policies, just a lot of rhetoric. One guy's ad was just him sitting at home drinking wine and saying he was cultured and experience like a good wine. It went on for about a minute and there was a single policy, opinion, stat or piece of information in it. Seemingly just saying your name and position and that you're proud to be Chilean and want to help move things forward and perhaps that you have managed to score a photo of Piñera with his arm round you is enough to make someone vote for you.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:06 am

Here is a the breakdown of projected congressional seats by party, if different percentages of people show up to vote.

https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 02153.html

In short, if less than 40% of the registered voters show-up to vote, they are expecting Chile Vamos and Pinera to almost have full control of the congress. Which, I am just voting a straight chile vamos ticket. I don't want the lefty morons in congress now to have sufficient seats to pass all that last moment crap that Bachelet sent to congress.

I also have the sneaky suspicion, these polls are not reflecting anywhere near just how pissed off the country is at Bachelet and the left. People when interviewed, out of embarrassment or whatever in Chile, will not tell the pollsters what they are really thinking.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:18 am

by the way, the presidential debate is tonight. I won't be able to watch it, as I have prior engagement, but will record it for later.

Pinera just needs to show-up, shut-up, and let the rest of the candidates attack each other.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Space Cat » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:01 pm

Ok, now everybody talks about and makes memes with the part of debates where Piñera showed the chart. His PR team is rocking it again.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by frozen-north » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:12 pm

Space Cat wrote:
His PR team is rocking it again.
Really?

Los errores del grafico que mostro Piñera durante el debate

desde 2010 a 2016,... la victimización más alta del periodo se alcanzó precisamente en 2011, durante el gobierno de Sebastián Piñera.

http://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/naci ... bate.shtml

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