Chile 2017 Presidential Election

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by frozen-north » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:36 pm

Aside from saying that you think that Piñera's PR team rocks, have you actually presented any arguments?

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:33 pm

Not a fan of this guy, but he has a point about the Bachelet administration and the left parties:
https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 03042.html

One part of the party says, "look at how wonderful our rule was for the last 25 years"; and, one part that says, "it is all crap, a waste of time, and we need to start all over".

So, to Bachelet and friends, what part of the party is in charge? What is it your selling? Did you do a good job, a bad job, or did you screw up? Why should we elect you again, if everything you did was crap and needs to be torn down?
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by fraggle092 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:24 pm

Mildly amusing election propaganda from Piñerín
At least he has a sense of humour.....

Contains some not-so-obvious allusions, for example this one from 2012 where presidential candidate Navarro had an accident on a snowmobile, then tried to claim that it was a work-related injury so his insurance would pay his private clinic medical bills. Coming from a guy earning millions as a Senator, that was cheap as well as dishonest.
(The claim was knocked back btw)

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Space Cat » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:26 pm

admin wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:33 pm
One part of the party says, "look at how wonderful our rule was for the last 25 years"; and, one part that says, "it is all crap, a waste of time, and we need to start all over".
Isn't he from the Christian Democratic Party? They just split from the socialist left (bye, Nueva Mayoría) and now bashing them a lot to not get associated with them.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:22 pm

Same party. They have just rebranded themselves over and over again.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:01 am

Well at least some people think there is sufficient foreigners in chile registered to vote that they might decide an election:

https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 81931.html

I think they are over estimating the numbers that actuelly vote / know they can vote, but flattering none the less.

I am also not sure you can generalize what any particular group of foreigners want. Are for example the thousands of venezuelains here going to vote for a far left socialist canidate after what they have been through? Is immigration really that important to people that have bee here for years? They all have very diffrent priorities, and some one would need to do some polls to find out what they really want.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Ignite » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:03 pm

I made a short post hoping for Kast to be elected. Yes, he is a Chileno "derechista." One of the things that I really love about Kast is that he is straight with people the other is that he being the song of German immigrants truly understands how Chileans are.

There is an interview where he tells the story of his father going to Chile was in a ship. On the ship his father met a chilean woman that told him "Here are three things you need to know about chile: one, don't talk bad about anybody since everybody knows each other. Two, never move farther than one hour from Santiago, since Santiago is Chile and be very patient because everything is for tomorrow."

That last one nailed it! Also, I'm not even a derechista, but Kast wants to do away with all the pitutos and the crapy crapy way state employees conduct themselves when doing their job. Of course there is more than just that but I hope if you understand chileno that you listen to the interviews he's been in.

Here's the video I was talking about < NO EMAIL > min 8:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSvl3LAPJc0

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:01 pm

Kast is a right-wing nut job, in a 'holy shit, i did not know the scale went that far right' sort of way.

He flies up to the u.s. to get money from who the hell knows on the right wing of the republican party, and is trying to push the stock NRA and other republican bullshit in return.

Sorry, came to chile to get away from that crap.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:23 am

Let me see if I can round-up the spectrum.

Right now, on the spectrum of right to left, we have:

Kast ----- See above post, but totally falling off the edge of the right spectrum to the point he is making the UDI blush. I don't know why he is even still there, unless someone is paying him to be there. He is not just German, he is creepy German, as in somewhere between far right wing republican party in the U.S., and possibly the Nazi party. I don't know if it is reassuring or scary. On the one hand he only has about 5% of the vote, but it is pretty scary that there is a 5% that support him at all.

Pinera --- Well, somewhere in the middle. Getting a lot of support from most of the right, a lot of center left, and even a fairly good support from even some of the more traditional left. I think everyone is simply under estimating how much support he has on the left.

Carolina Goic --- Who should be pretty much be dead center, as she is the DC / whatever you want to call them candidate. Unfortunately, she just comes of as creepy and out of touch. Sort of Hillary Clinton, but not quite that creepy. Long on promises, short on plan to deliver. Which is probably all the candidates below, have the same problem. Promising to give crap away is nice, but how you going to pay for it?

Alejandro Guillier ---- former talk show host / journalist. Is center left, sort of, but trying to be everything to everyone, and not doing a good job of any of it. A friend recently asked me who he should vote for, as he did not know where any of the candidates stood. I told him, "well that is easy, vote for Guillier because he promises to not to tell you what his plan is unless he makes the second round". Classic Bachelet, 'let's play hide and go seek with our policies; then ambush everyone once we do make it public'. He has this messed up coalition of socialist party, communist party, couple of keg parties, etc; all with different agendas.

Marco Ominami --- I don't know where to place him. Use to be a socialist party canidate, was progressive party or something, then went independent. Total tela-tuby, but then also so is Guillier. Claims he has the experience. He does. Running for office and loosing. Not sure why he is still in the race. His hair cut is way to 1995 to win.

Beatriz Sanchez --- Another journalist / TV personality. I have to say, for being so far left, I have a bit of respect for her. Even if a lot of her ideas are completely bat shit crazy and unworkable, I actually believe, that she believes, most of what she says. Of the far left, I find her the most real. She came out and slammed the myth of Allende. Which, probably not the best thing to do if you are depending on the really far left for your voter base that still idolize him as some sort of frustrated Che Graveria; but, give her credit for trying to move that far left base conversation a little more center. Lot's of typical vague programs for poverty, middle class, etc.

Eduardo Artés --- He is the 'holly shit I can not believe the scale goes that far left' candidate. You can not put him and Kast in the same room, or there will be matter/anti-matter reaction. He wants to expropriate everything in the country, and seems to want to move so far left that he is associated himself with all the little anarchists that like to do things like burn the buses in Santiago during protests.

Really though, the election is coming down to a Alejandro Guillier vs. pinera. No one else has the numbers to be in the game.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by fraggle092 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:42 am

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Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:01 am
I am also not sure you can generalize what any particular group of foreigners want. Are for example the thousands of venezuelains here going to vote for a far left socialist canidate after what they have been through?
I think that most Venezuelans, who have been conditioned since at least the 1980s, would tend to vote leftist. Many blame the country's problems on Maduro's handling of the economy, rather than on the system itself. Even now, the memory of Chávez is still admired by many Venezuelans, who seem unable or unwilling to understand that he was responsible for the current calamitous state of the country.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by at46 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:17 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:42 am
admin wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:01 am
I am also not sure you can generalize what any particular group of foreigners want. Are for example the thousands of venezuelains here going to vote for a far left socialist canidate after what they have been through?
I think that most Venezuelans, who have been conditioned since at least the 1980s, would tend to vote leftist. Many blame the country's problems on Maduro's handling of the economy, rather than on the system itself. Even now, the memory of Chávez is still admired by many Venezuelans, who seem unable or unwilling to understand that he was responsible for the current calamitous state of the country.
Yes. And some countries, like Canada, for example, go a step further by staffing the immigration bureaucracy with leftists to filter out right-wingers.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:50 am

Well, here comes Pinera's left-hook. The Evangelicos are organizing to push Pinera over the top in the first round.

http://www.pulso.cl/actualidad-politica ... -respaldo/

It seems obvious on some level that conservative Christians would lean more right, right? Well, not really. The Evangelicos base, tends to be mostly poor, left wing voters. Essentially all the Christians that the Catholic church has alienated in Chile over many generations.

That is, until Bachelet alienated the Evangelicos in the last couple of years. Regardless of what you think about Gay marriage, abortion, and so on, the Evangelicos don't like what Bachelet's and the coalition of far left did the last couple of years. So, it is time for some pay back. If they mobilize in any numbers, it can be a very sudden death for the left in the first round.

Again, that is just one group I don't think is being counted by the polls correctly.

The other, and probably the most surprising source of Pinera support, is the communist and socialist. I got a bunch of friends that are all pretty hard-core, old school, communist party and socialist voters. They are all voting for Pinera. The "new" communist party, made up of the student movement leaders, has alienated them for all sorts of reasons.

What all these sleeper cells have in common? They don't so much like Pinera, as want to punish some group from the left political base that pissed them off.
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