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Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:33 pm

Well, we are off to the races. November 2017 presidential election.

Pinera is officially announcing right now his candidacy.

Quick reminder to all residents, that have at least 5 years in the country, including temporary residency, you are eligible to vote in the presidential election. I would highly encourage all residents or new citizens to vote. That is a pretty unique thing for a permanent resident of country to be extended voting rights, and being such a small country it does matter.



I am going to sticky this thread, so we can centralize the presidential election discussion.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:45 pm

Personally, I am not even going to try to stay impartial about this (ha, ha, like I ever do), I am voting Pinera.

The other potential candidates (e.g. lagos, teletubie) better have some pretty sweet tricks up their sleeve for me to even give them the time of day.

I have sort of come to the conclusion that the world has gotten so complicated, that simply being politician is not sufficient to be president. You need someone with an economics degree to not completely destroy an economy with political stupidity, even if the politician is doing nothing. It is just too technical a job now.

Now, if we can just get Pinera's wife to keep him quiet (shut the hell up, and put away the note from the miners), and we can get his new election manager to take over:
http://www.eldinamo.cl/tendencias/tech/ ... ropellado/

Although, he has had some serious political pundits among the quiltro constituency in the past:
http://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/2013 ... nera.shtml
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:14 pm

wooo, Bachelet's idea of dealing with illegal immigration is to make it easier to immigrate illegally. What is even more shocking, is the Haitan goverment believes there is something like 60,000 in Chile. Not the 34,000 or whatever the Chilean government has been reporting.

http://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-20490 ... untry.html

So, making it easier for illegal / refugees is a top priority, while making it harder for legal immigrants with money seems to be the standing policy of her administration.

If that 60,000 number is correct, that would make Haitiens I believe the largest legal or illegal immigrant group in Chile. Perhaps even bigger than the neighboring countries. Have not crunched the numbers. By the PDI numbers, of Haitens arriving with 90 day tourist visas, around 89% are here illegally.

http://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-18331 ... chile.html

I have always had this sneaky suspicion that during bachelet's administration workers at the department of immigration often reject applications simply based on how rich the individual is, while unofficially rubber stamping those that that are poor or come from countries where socialism is popular. No proof. Probably because they are normally too incompetence and poorly managed to even produce a pattern of any sort. It was once pointed tout to me, that even Chaos is an ordered system. Not so sure about that now.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Andres » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:12 pm

admin wrote:I have always had this sneaky suspicion that during bachelet's administration workers at the department of immigration often reject applications simply based on how rich the individual is, while unofficially rubber stamping those that that are poor or come from countries where socialism is popular.
That would explain the result of my permanent resident application.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Donnybrook » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:44 pm

I had to deal with both the Registro Civil and SII multiple times over the last couple of years. The second year it became clear to me that something I had never seen before had entered the equation: a noticeable anti-foreigner bias. I saw it also during that massively long strike RC had when they said they would deal with Chileans first, foreigners second. This was so unlike previous attitudes here that it made an impression. I don't know what causes it, perhaps immigrant overload or perhaps something more ideological.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Ruff » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:23 pm

Donnybrook wrote:I had to deal with both the Registro Civil and SII multiple times over the last couple of years. The second year it became clear to me that something I had never seen before had entered the equation: a noticeable anti-foreigner bias. I saw it also during that massively long strike RC had when they said they would deal with Chileans first, foreigners second. This was so unlike previous attitudes here that it made an impression. I don't know what causes it, perhaps immigrant overload or perhaps something more ideological.
I do not believe it is ideology. Just the typical chilean laziness and incompetence.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Donnybrook » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:08 am

Ruff wrote:
Donnybrook wrote:I had to deal with both the Registro Civil and SII multiple times over the last couple of years. The second year it became clear to me that something I had never seen before had entered the equation: a noticeable anti-foreigner bias. I saw it also during that massively long strike RC had when they said they would deal with Chileans first, foreigners second. This was so unlike previous attitudes here that it made an impression. I don't know what causes it, perhaps immigrant overload or perhaps something more ideological.
I do not believe it is ideology. Just the typical chilean laziness and incompetence.
Given the specifics of the problems I faced, no it was not either of those.

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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by Andres » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:43 am

Agreed.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:17 am

Yea, something has fundamentally changed in the attitude of many Chileans towards foreigners in the last couple of years, and it is pretty understandable. Perhaps not right, but understandable.

Chileans, by a pretty wide margin, are racists. As I have said before on another thread, it goes beyond racism. I am not even sure what the word is, but just say they are hyper sensitive to skin color. Chileans will discriminate against people in their own family for being an imperceptible shade darker than someone else in the family. People get teased when they get a little too much sun on vacation, but often will just be treated differently until the sun tan wears off.

It was pointed out to me in a crowded theater by my brother when I arrived in Chile, "have you ever seen such a homogeneous population"?

No, not really. Chile has been super isolated. Even the sub-groups, say the jewish and Germans, have for the most part isolated themselves among various families.

So, imagine your a Chilean working some rather dead-end thankless public service job. Your president is off in Haiti, promising to give away lots of crap to another country and bring more black illegal immigrants to the country to compete with you and your family for jobs and social services, while at the same time refusing to increase wages, tanking the economy, raising taxes, etc, etc. Meanwhile, at your public service job, you are being faced day in and day out with an increasingly wider pallet of skin shades. Guess where the anger and frustration is going to be focused?

Before, an occasional foreigner was at best a curiosity, and mostly just ignored. As long as they kept their mouth shut, almost no one would be able to detect they were even foreigners (blond Germans are dime a dozen down south, 10 generations removed from Germany). The vast majority of foreigners in Chile are from the countries directly adjacent to Chile, so there is very little to make them stand-out.

Now they are everywhere. Now, they stick out. In fact it got my attention a few weeks ago when I was in Santiago, just how many black people there were in and around Santiago. Never seen them before in Chile. Perhaps one or two, once or twice a year. Often from Colombia or Brazil. Now they are everywhere. If it catches my attention, it really catches the attention of your average Chilean that has never been anywhere or done anything. Never has interacted with any other shade. Their idea of black person is their uncle who's mother was full blood Mapuche, and his skin tone is just a little darker than their own (but no outsider could even detect the difference).

My wife and I were discussing it, and came to the conclusion it is overall good for the country to break out of it's Andes to the Pacific bubble. There is a world out there. The problem is, it will cause problems. Their is a growing backlash against the new immigrants. It will get worse. Chileans that were mostly indifferent to foreigners, will start extending discrimination against black immigrants, to immigrants from the neighboring countries, to all immigrants. You can't just dump 60,000+ black immigrants on the streets of Chile, and not have some sort of social impact. You could slowly drip immigrants in to the society, and it will adjust. Using shock and awe on to change a population has never ended well, especially one that has been so isolated.

So, right wrong, guess who that is going to benefit in the next election?

Anyone that is on the right, or at least anyone that did not support the Bachelet administration and coalition. Chileans will lean in to their xenophobia and racism, and their conservative side. Even the far left in Chile, is pretty socially conservative. Remember who makes up one of the major voting blocks among the poor: the evangelicals, catholics, and so on. They might not like the political right historically, but they will look to them as the protectors of what is Chilean. Hopefully they won't take that too far, but it is coming.

Again, the left is eating their young. Just about the time they start to deliver on anything they promised, they realize they are voting themselves out of office, and spike the punch to insure their is a nice population of poor to vote for them.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by admin » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:17 am

I have a deal for Haiti. We will take another 60,000 more Haitiens, but they got to keep Bachelet. The Haitiens I have met seem hard working and competent at their job. Bachelet, not so much.

Woops, just got a call from Haiti. They say they have sufficient problems already. :lol:
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:02 am

It is not the first generation that does seem to work hard and do not cause problems that is the issue, it will be their children (many will be Chilean by birth) that will cause problems as they copy Chilean laziness, form gangs and commit crime.

Saw a report on Chilean TV where an illegal Haitian couple said that the wife was pregnant so that the child will be a Chilean citizen thus granting citizenship to their parents.

I have reverted to my original external projection as protection playing down my US origins (because the Chilean media just repeats the bullshit CNN says) and playing up my particular ethnic family origins which most Chileans automatically have respect and admiration for to distinguish myself from other Asian immigrants that are also more numerous now and who are generally seen in a less positive light.
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Re: Chile 2017 Presidential Election

Post by ghibli » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:43 pm

Greetings all and thanks for this blog. On the subject of elections, I have been hearing increasing disappointment with Bachelet. Much was expected and little was produced. This does relate to the ongoing problems with the (in(civil) service department. I hasten to say that I have met a handful of wonderful competent people working in the civil service/education departments, but in general the sloth, indifference and occasional hostility is mind
boggling. And really puzzling. No body wins.

A related subject is the examen for Octavo Basico which I must take in order to be able to apply for a driving license.

I will be posting the details of this under the appropriate heading to help others with the same challenge, but the central point, relative to the elections, is that I have made FIVE visits to the various administrative offices to simply make the appointment to take the test. This is not enough.
I am Required to make one more visit in order to complete the appointment arrangement for the test. Then comes the test. The results post nearly two months later and then I can apply to make an appointment to apply for a driving license. I expect the whole process to take most of a year. This ponderous process I'm sure weighs heavily on the economy. Hopefully the next president will work on this problem.

The interesting thing to me about the Octavo Basico is that it's actually a pretty decent quality curriculum, assuming that students actually study.

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