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Re: Exchange Student

Post by john » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:52 pm

JHyre wrote:
We home schoolers consistently score much higher on standardized tests, and are often preferred for entrance into top colleges and universities.
True as a general statement. Further, such kids seem to be well behaved. Of course, such schooling generally indicates the best advantage one could have: Caring & involved parents.

A weakness to watch for: Lack of socialization and inability to deal with society after being cloistered within a small group that is not at all like the surrounding world. Many, but not all, homeschooling parents are aware of the issue and address it. Some of the more devout Christians tend to have problems in this regard, and their children are often not prepared to deal with the surrounding society. Lacking inoculation in that regard, they sometimes fall prey to the dangers from which they have been sheltered.

But in general, I agree that homeschooling breeds superior results.

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Presumably, the key prerequisite for successful homeschooling is qualified parents---a pretty high bar indeed. However, even if that hurdle is cleared, John's cautionary note re: lack of socialization;etc. could ultimately become the major impediments to success.
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Re: Exchange Student

Post by Mantriur » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:43 pm

I live in Concon and have been looking for a school for my daughter this year. Talked to a few principals from interesting schools which didn't have any vacancies. Got some recommendations, but St. Margaret wasn't among them. I'll check it out, but I find it interesting that they haven't been on the list once. I mean, even SEK was on the list, and they are just an elitist shithole marketing to Chileans with too much money. :P

Vina to Concon is quite an annoying trip for a high school student to travel every day. You should consider that. Depending on where in Vina she is supposed to live, it can be as much as half an hour.

Bosque de Montemar is a nice place though. :-)

P.S.: Just realized this is a rather old thread. Going to do the necromancy anyway. :P

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Re: Exchange Student

Post by JHyre » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:43 pm

Mantriur,

Not an old thread at all, my daughter just arrived, she is staying in Con-Con. If you'd like to talk to my sister-in-law and/or the girls, let me know, I'm sure they'd be happy to chat. Also, we were happy with Compania Maria in Recreo, we sent all three kids there on past visits. Not quite the pituto, but less than half the price. I know some parents (a judge and a lawyer) there as well, I'll bet they'd be amenable to some discussion.

You can email me at johnhyre@realestatetaxlaw.com and I can send you some info in re fees. St Margaret did not come cheap.

Where in Con-Con are you, if I may ask?

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Re: Exchange Student

Post by Mantriur » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:43 pm

I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to schools here in Chile. From "first impression" I think the semi-private ones are the best. They have a bit of extra money and seem to use it well. Schools with only government funding show the lack of money, and the private ones with insane fees from rich Chileans just breed arrogance and waste the money. I've stopped searching at the moment, because we need some translated and authenticated papers from Germany. I always thought German bureaucracy was unmatched, but Chile is a close second. :) Only difference is, no one follows the rules here and most get away with it. :) Doesn't work for schools. :(

Will definitely check out the one in Recreo. It might become an option if we move to Valpo, from Concon it's a bit far.

I live near Av. Vergara, in the central part of the old Concon. Great in the winter, hell in summer, because it's the preferred tourist walking route to the beach. I like parties, but not in front of my house 24/7. :P

Bosque de Montemar is a rather new area as Renaca and Concon grow together. The rural areas don't have a view, but it's quiet and safe. Nice place. :) Possibly a bit boring for kids, but there are busses to Vina 24/7. :)

If your guys need anything, let me know! (auge@virtues.net)

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Re: Exchange Student

Post by jerzeyboy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:42 pm

I have 2 daughters age 11 and 8 who don't speak Spanish at all. is there school in the vina area where ther can attend?

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Re: Exchange Student

Post by JHyre » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:45 pm

I have 2 daughters age 11 and 8 who don't speak Spanish at all. is there school in the vina area where ther can attend?
Do you mean for them to learn Spanish? And are they interested in the same?

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Re: Exchange Student

Post by JHyre » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:18 pm

On winter break #1 Daughter spent ten days with her cousin working about an hour from Vina on "Techos para Chile", similar to Habit for Humanity. Good volunteering, and good learning. She got to see a sort of poverty that is close to non-existent in the US. She also made a lot of new friends. She's the one who looks like a trouble maker.
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Re: Exchange Student

Post by john » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:55 pm

JHyre wrote:On winter break #1 Daughter spent ten days with her cousin working about an hour from Vina on "Techos para Chile", similar to Habit for Humanity. Good volunteering, and good learning. She got to see a sort of poverty that is close to non-existent in the US. She also made a lot of new friends. She's the one who looks like a trouble maker.
John,

Thanks for sharing! What a great learning experience for her. 8) BTW, which one is your daughter? I can't pick her out as they all look like troublemakers to me. :wink:
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Visiting Numba One Daughter

Post by JHyre » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:39 pm

Will be in Vina from 3/5 to 3/17. Happy to put some names with faces, that sort of thing has been fun so far. PM me if interested.

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Re: Exchange Student

Post by JHyre » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:36 am

Saw Number One Stinky Daughter yesterday after nine months in country. The near-year here has done her well. She certainly has the Chilenismo's down! A bit of independence and seeing things done differently have helped her grow, she commented that adjusting to college will be easy after this. She also mentioned that her mom "makes much more sense" after having lived here and gotten to know the culture. She likes the laid back & fun loving nature of Chileans, and especially the frequent parties. She does not care for the teenage cuicia culture, like OMG, LOL. The people she met volunteering for Techos (Chilean analogue to Habitat for Humanity) were generally more to her liking.

Had a nice dinner at El Austriaco in Vina just off of San Martin, excellent as always. The Austrian Engineer who owns it applies the same rigor to cooking as he did to construction. The pernil (Schweinehaxen) is to die for. As is the liquor made from some berry unique to the Osorno region.

Got some medical chores out of the way yesterday. Efficient & comparatively cheap. For those in Vina area, I cannot recommend the name "Testart" enough. They are essentially a medical dynasty, I think a least a dozen of them are MD's of varying specialties. My experience with 3 of them so far has been uniformly excellent. In addition to being excellent MD's, they seem to be first-class people as well. Strongly recommend.

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Brief Reflections on a Brief Trip

Post by JHyre » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:22 pm

Just returned from a brief two week stint in Vina area.

Saw #1 Stinky Daughter. Nearly a year in Chile (two more months to go) has been good for her. While getting to know her family & the culture and improving her Spanish are all great benefits, the real plus has been to see her grow up & mature. She was already doing well in that department. But the time away from home, under a different roof, with more freedom (at least in some respects) and having to adapt to a different set of facts on the ground have done her a world of good. I think the year shall prove especially beneficial where her ability to live independently and adapt to college are concerned. I found that the same applied in my youth after a year abroad, and have seen the same benefit in others. Some of you with ties to Chile have wondered in other chains about whether to bring the kids down. We’ve found that a year in Chile plus some US summers/Chilean winters there go a long way. Best of both worlds really, especially if one does not have the ability to make a solid income in Chile.

Got to see some new & old faces. You know who you are. I’ve very much enjoyed meeting you and am the better for it. Some of the forum members are very interesting and very thoughtful people – and fun! And that of course includes some of you with whom I disagree with on quite a bit. I hope that next time I will not bring the workload I had with me on this trip, it would leave more time to enjoy. Did not make it to Santiago this time, simply too much work. To you-know-who “Baaaaaaa!”.

Medical Care: One of the reasons for the trip was to get some medical issues knocked out. As was the case 4 years ago, I came away very happy with the experience. Dental work that was quoted at $4k USD in the US cost about a quarter that in Vina…..actually way less for me because the dentist is a family member and refused to take very much, we’ve helped each other out in the past. I asked him what he would’ve charged a normal patient and it was a touch north of $1k. Saw a few other specialists, paid cash, got excellent results from one, fixed the problem, got excellent advice & direction for follow-up in the US from the other. For $150 between the two of them. Paid for the trip, all costs included, at least twice over. Veddy pleased. For those looking for MD's in Vina area, let me know, my family there has not steered me wrong yet.

It’s a Bubble: I was amazed at the new construction everywhere, especially in Con-Con. Who the heck is buying all of the condos in tower after tower after tower? I stayed with a family member in a tower a block from the Marina Arauco mall, no ocean view. 2 BR, probably about 450 square feet (if that), costs over $200,000 USD! A real sign of a bubble – the rent is only $700 USD. And incomes are way below what it would take to service such debt. For example, was talking to the son of a relative who will graduate in engineering, figures on starting at $2,000 per month….the rate would be 3 to 5 x that in the US. When rents & income are that far removed from purchase prices, it’s starting to look a lot like California circa 2005. While there’s a lot of money in Santiago, my relatives feel that there is A LOT of borrowing going on. Stress on the system (e.g. – drop in copper) can bring things back down to Earth. One family member is renting and waiting for that to happen before buying. Maybe I’m all wet, but it seems very, very familiar.

The expanded & dolled-up beachfront in Vina looks really nice.

Dolphins are cool. Went to a seafood place in Zapallar, it’s on the south side of town on the little bay. The fresh seafood was very good. We also got a free show – there was a very playful dolphin jumping around, playing and showing off, not a hundred yards from the restaurant. He jumped at least a dozen times. Pretty darned cool.

The teenage argot is indecipherable. Listened to my nephew and his friends talk. Had a really hard time following them. My daughter understands them, took her a while. She says they speak horrible Spanish, even by Chilean standards.

John Hyre

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Re: Brief Reflections on a Brief Trip

Post by john » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:04 am

JHyre wrote:Just returned from a brief two week stint in Vina area.

Saw #1 Stinky Daughter. Nearly a year in Chile (two more months to go) has been good for her. While getting to know her family & the culture and improving her Spanish are all great benefits, the real plus has been to see her grow up & mature. She was already doing well in that department. But the time away from home, under a different roof, with more freedom (at least in some respects) and having to adapt to a different set of facts on the ground have done her a world of good. I think the year shall prove especially beneficial where her ability to live independently and adapt to college are concerned. I found that the same applied in my youth after a year abroad, and have seen the same benefit in others. Some of you with ties to Chile have wondered in other chains about whether to bring the kids down. We’ve found that a year in Chile plus some US summers/Chilean winters there go a long way. Best of both worlds really, especially if one does not have the ability to make a solid income in Chile.

Got to see some new & old faces. You know who you are. I’ve very much enjoyed meeting you and am the better for it. Some of the forum members are very interesting and very thoughtful people – and fun! And that of course includes some of you with whom I disagree with on quite a bit. I hope that next time I will not bring the workload I had with me on this trip, it would leave more time to enjoy. Did not make it to Santiago this time, simply too much work. To you-know-who “Baaaaaaa!”.

Medical Care: One of the reasons for the trip was to get some medical issues knocked out. As was the case 4 years ago, I came away very happy with the experience. Dental work that was quoted at $4k USD in the US cost about a quarter that in Vina…..actually way less for me because the dentist is a family member and refused to take very much, we’ve helped each other out in the past. I asked him what he would’ve charged a normal patient and it was a touch north of $1k. Saw a few other specialists, paid cash, got excellent results from one, fixed the problem, got excellent advice & direction for follow-up in the US from the other. For $150 between the two of them. Paid for the trip, all costs included, at least twice over. Veddy pleased. For those looking for MD's in Vina area, let me know, my family there has not steered me wrong yet.

It’s a Bubble: I was amazed at the new construction everywhere, especially in Con-Con. Who the heck is buying all of the condos in tower after tower after tower? I stayed with a family member in a tower a block from the Marina Arauco mall, no ocean view. 2 BR, probably about 450 square feet (if that), costs over $200,000 USD! A real sign of a bubble – the rent is only $700 USD. And incomes are way below what it would take to service such debt. For example, was talking to the son of a relative who will graduate in engineering, figures on starting at $2,000 per month….the rate would be 3 to 5 x that in the US. When rents & income are that far removed from purchase prices, it’s starting to look a lot like California circa 2005. While there’s a lot of money in Santiago, my relatives feel that there is A LOT of borrowing going on. Stress on the system (e.g. – drop in copper) can bring things back down to Earth. One family member is renting and waiting for that to happen before buying. Maybe I’m all wet, but it seems very, very familiar.

The expanded & dolled-up beachfront in Vina looks really nice.

Dolphins are cool. Went to a seafood place in Zapallar, it’s on the south side of town on the little bay. The fresh seafood was very good. We also got a free show – there was a very playful dolphin jumping around, playing and showing off, not a hundred yards from the restaurant. He jumped at least a dozen times. Pretty darned cool.

The teenage argot is indecipherable. Listened to my nephew and his friends talk. Had a really hard time following them. My daughter understands them, took her a while. She says they speak horrible Spanish, even by Chilean standards.

John Hyre
John,

Thanks for sharing your insight! It was a pleasure to meet you and I very much enjoyed the time we spent together. I look forward to continuing our face-to-face discussions when you next visit Chile. Also, it's heartening to know that your daughter has had a very rewarding experience in Chile.

Best regards,

John
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