House hunting, what does CALIDAD INDÍGENA mean?

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House hunting, what does CALIDAD INDÍGENA mean?

Post by vamoschile » Sun May 10, 2020 2:44 pm

I was looking at a house in southern chile with some land and found the words CALIDAD INDÍGENA. Does this mean only mapuche can buy the land? My wife is Chilean can she qualify to buy? What are the downsides?

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Re: House hunting, what does CALIDAD INDÍGENA mean?

Post by admin » Sun May 10, 2020 5:04 pm

absolutely under no circumstances touch a property that is designated indigenous. There is a certificate issued by the property register if the property is indigenous registered or not; and should be part of any standard title search.

additionally, never ever buy a property that is even rumored in the community to be indigenous. pure trouble.

Hell, if we had a Mapuche client, we would tell them to stay away from designated indigenous properties. it will always be a crippled title, and 90% of the population either can not or will not buy it.

There is a method for acquiring a Mapuche designated property, but it is expensive and still provides no guarantee a bunch of mapuche activist are not going to burn your house down.
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Re: House hunting, what does CALIDAD INDÍGENA mean?

Post by admin » Sun May 10, 2020 6:06 pm

For a none-mapuche to acquire an indigenous registered property is an expensive beucratic nightmare.

To start, you would have to acquire and register another property of "equal or greater value" to the one you are trying to aquire. The problem is with what counts as "equal or greater value". you have convince the government, the mapuche community, and the tooth fairy's cousin that the property being registered is of equal or greater value as the one being removed from the register. To expedite that, typically that means excessively greater value.

so, say you had a grocery store, and the land next door is the only place you could build your parking garage but it is indigenous registered. say it was worth only 30 million pesos. well, you would likely go acquire some property that is not indigenous registered that is worth say 500 million pesos or more.

You would need an attorney that is a specialist in indigenous property. probably need an anthropologist involved for government study, etc. appraisers, etc.

all that, and after many years of going around and around you may still not have a clean title; even if you did on paper, the idea that it was formally indigenous would forever mark it for buyers and banks. so your resale value would be nearly nothing.
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Re: House hunting, what does CALIDAD INDÍGENA mean?

Post by MikieO » Tue May 12, 2020 10:17 am

"There is a method for acquiring a Mapuche designated property, but it is expensive and still provides no guarantee a bunch of mapuche activist are not going to burn your house down."
They get frisky from time to time as far North as El Tabo too. Seems any property they designate (its an informal thing) can be burned down when they're in the mood.
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Re: House hunting, what does CALIDAD INDÍGENA mean?

Post by Jamers41 » Wed May 13, 2020 10:22 pm

MikieO wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:17 am
"There is a method for acquiring a Mapuche designated property, but it is expensive and still provides no guarantee a bunch of mapuche activist are not going to burn your house down."
They get frisky from time to time as far North as El Tabo too. Seems any property they designate (its an informal thing) can be burned down when they're in the mood.
I've never heard of that in the central region, but I suppose there's a first time for everything.

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Re: House hunting, what does CALIDAD INDÍGENA mean?

Post by fraggle092 » Fri May 15, 2020 4:16 pm

Its worth mentioning that Calidad, as used here differs from its common English usage as a definition of merit, "Export Quality", "Poor Quality" etc. Although Its also used this way in Spanish.

But in Spanish there's a second usage; it can describe a condition, eg "en mi calidad de victima"." Su calidad de Zona Típica entorpece la modernización".

Another little tripwire in the minefield of language.
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Re: House hunting, what does CALIDAD INDÍGENA mean?

Post by admin » Fri May 15, 2020 4:40 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 4:16 pm
Its worth mentioning that Calidad, as used here differs from its common English usage as a definition of merit, "Export Quality", "Poor Quality" etc. Although Its also used this way in Spanish.

But in Spanish there's a second usage; it can describe a condition, eg "en mi calidad de victima"." Su calidad de Zona Típica entorpece la modernizacion".

Another little tripwire in the minefield of language.
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I don't know if that translates to:

"This property is so shity only the indians would want it"

or

"this property is so shitty they stuck the indians with it".

Because that is pretty much what all the indian land across the Americas translates to, just ask any indian. Well, until they discover gold, oil, coal, or can build a casino on it. Otherwise, it might make a good nuclear testing or storage site.
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Re: House hunting, what does CALIDAD INDÍGENA mean?

Post by fraggle092 » Fri May 15, 2020 4:50 pm

Yeah, it could mean "shitty quality" as well. :)
Or "shitpot of problems"
But not formally...
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