PDI guys, busted

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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by Aysen » Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:31 pm

El Mercurio:
PDI tras escándalo: Se podría haber parado antes si nosotros llevábamos la investigación

Sure, let you investigate yourself. What could possibly go wrong?

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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by Dosedmonkey » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:57 pm

My fiance doesn't like it when i investigate myself.....

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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by frozen-north » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:21 pm

Aysen :

'Sure, let you investigate yourself. What could possibly go wrong?'

Dosedmonkey :

'My fiance doesn't like it when i investigate myself.....'


:)

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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by admin » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:44 pm

It was the carabineros that arrested the PDI. Which of course has them dancing in the streets. They get treated like beat cops / hired help / poor cousins by the PDI, but they get to underling the 'at least we are not a bunch of crooked bastards'.
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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by Vicki and Greg Lansen » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:38 pm

Old timers here know that I am a fan of the Caribineros. My interactions with them (check points, a stop or two, and during an emergency) were pleasant. I found them to be professional, courtious and respectful. After the US, Costa Rica and Panama, I was shocked! I have seen them calm and walk-away a mean drunk at a rodeo, carry a child with a skinned knee home to her parents, and pass out water and face masks during a volcanic eruption, give directions, help fix a flat...the list goes on and on. In Valdivia, my mother who was visiting me from the US, admired a Carb on. a beautiful horse. The guy slipped off the horse, and lifted her up on it and took her for a walk around the park.

While I was in Chile, the head Caribinero in Chile died in a helicopter crash in Panama City, Panama (there to implement some training programs for Panamanian police). Chile was in mourning, at least down in Patagonia. Anyway, back now in Panama after so many years and it was visably a different force from the Noriega-era thugs we knew before. More professional, less aggressive, very, very diffent, pleasantly. Mista got stopped for a traffic violation and it was strictly business...no asking for a bribe, just a pleasant here is your ticket and information on where to pay it or where to go to court to contest it and "Have a nice day". Chile made a difference in Panama.

So for the "lowly" cops on the beat...Hoorah for busting the corrupt PDI guys.

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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by Dosedmonkey » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:05 pm

Its great saying all this, but yesterday I saw a taxi passenger almost get killed getting out due to a white car road raging at the fact the taxi had stopped (which they geniunely do, mind boggling). The fact the white car only missed the person and the other taxi by an inch, despite the taxi being hard up on the curb and no other traffic in the other lanes, purely aggressive driving with horn beeping, wasn't the bad part. The bad part was the caribinero police car sitting at the red light 90 degrees off from the incident at approximetely 15m.

The other classic is the government making it tighter and tighter on drink driving as it is killing a lot of people here, but really want they need to do is motivate their traffic police here.

So yes they are great compared to other south american countries. But I think with a bit more support, and positive feedback, and educating the youth better to their purpose. Possibly some non-military uniforms. They could be one of the best in the world. And yes I realise I was spoilt it the UK. :p

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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by admin » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:45 am

We have had this conversation with the local carbinerios in Frutillar more than once. They have no budget. There is two vehicles, one falling apart, to patrol about a 1,000 km area (not sure of exact size but it is absurdly big, with over 15,000 people, and three to four communities), with only two to three officers on duty at any moment. One has to be at the station of course. Besides all the local stopping the bad guys, they have to drive all the way to Puerto Montt to book someone, make appearances in court, file paperwork, and so on. That takes one to two officers and a vehicle out of the area for several hours each day. They have also been given the job of patrolling all the domestic dispute houses, several times a day, just to find out the husband is back sitting at the dinner table the day after he was ordered to stay away from the house. That alone, requires two police and a full time vehicle.

Still, when it has counted, they were there in 5-10 mins. We had a house alarm go off one night while we were in town. Typically me and neighbour show up to respond to the alarm going off, then sort out the whole false alarm vs real deal thing ourselves. This time however, someone had locked the padlock on the gate (we never lock it, because it does nothing but slow us down and I don't like dealing with it in the rain). So obviously a human was either on the property or been on the property in the last hour (how long we had been gone). It takes something with opposable thumbs to manipulate that lock. It was not the cows. We call them, and 5 mins later they were there to check the house and the property with us in a full downpour.

We had another incident where an old man, with alzheimer's disease wondered in to our shed in the middle of the night (we didn't know what it was at the time, other than it was human and not leaving). They were there in 5 mins, and had been looking for the old guy for hours. The temp had dropped below freezing, and he would have been dead by morning.

Luckily most of our needs for them is sort of Lake Wobegone small town sorts / rural living issues.

So, while the PDI has scandals over how much they over-paid for their new toys to look for contraband at the boarders, the carbinerios in our town are holding their bumpers on with bailing wire or have no gas for their vehicles; or, you have the ones in Santiago that are tasked with stopping thousands of students out of control, having their own life put in danger, while complying with orders not to hurt let alone kill any of the protestors that are trying to kill them. We had more than one news video of the carbinerios drawing their guns and shooting in the air this year, when one or two would get isolated by rock throwing protesters in Santiago, while bleeding from serious head wounds and surrounded, says it all about their training. They were risking their life, to protect the life of the guy trying to kill them. Situations that anywhere else (especially the states) deadly force would have been more than justified (clearly their life was in immediate danger), and they didn't use it. Meanwhile, we have Camilla and friends in the Washington Post today claiming students are being detained and tortured (they seem to consider the use of tear gas torture).

Crime and court reform is definitely one thing Pinera has dropped the ball on. The former socialist administrations also dropped the ball, if not often actively encouraged it.

Supposedly there is another 10,000 new recruits in training, and more budget money on the way. We all know how that works however. It takes several years to train and deploy them. I am sure the next administration will be happy to pat themselves on the back for it.

So, I have a lot of respect for the big job the carbinerios have been tasked with doing, with very few resources, that would have turned most other police forces in the World in to a bunch of corrupt, useless, thugs.
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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:25 am

Many years ago at an all night fuente in Santiago Centro, my future wife who was the jefa of the night shift was threatened by a very drunk PDI dude who became angered at being refused a drink. He actually showed her his gun in his demand for service. He left and went to the next door fuente whose dueño called the Carabineros, who got a handle on the "problem".
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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by jehturner » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:53 am

Isn't being drunk with a gun in a public place a fast track to dismissal?

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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:33 pm

jehturner wrote:Isn't being drunk with a gun in a public place a fast track to dismissal?
No idea if the guy was dismissed. If he did stay on, it says a lot about the agency's ability to police itself.
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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by HybridAmbassador » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:18 pm

admin wrote:It was the carabineros that arrested the PDI. Which of course has them dancing in the streets. They get treated like beat cops / hired help / poor cousins by the PDI, but they get to underling the 'at least we are not a bunch of crooked bastards'.
So when classified of elitism and ranks, are the PDI's above the Carabineros?
Which one holds more clouts in Chile, the PDI or Carabineros??
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Re: PDI guys, busted

Post by HybridAmbassador » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:32 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
jehturner wrote:Isn't being drunk with a gun in a public place a fast track to dismissal?
No idea if the guy was dismissed. If he did stay on, it says a lot about the agency's ability to police itself.
I had a different perception of the Law personnels and its agencie's cleanliness in Chile.

In the Japanese Ex-Pats forum blogs:Postings as such; in Chile, Altough a few hundread ex-pats of them at most counts but.
They were warning to all new comers, especially those that have experienced living/encountering past incidents, such as driving infractions in other South American countries._ Do not confuse Chile's Carabineros to the Policias de Peru or Bolivia for an instance. .Do not even show your intention of bribing him/her 'cause they can arrest you and you can be in a deep trouble!
So after all, the police forces in Chile, be them, PDI or Carabineros, neither ones are to be not too clean after all .?!
Or they don't take "peanuts" bribes but if the offering is abundance of wealth, (Mucho Dinero)
then _Si agarro la mordiada_!!
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